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  • brett
    started a topic Highest MVP finish in both leagues

    Highest MVP finish in both leagues

    I know that Frank Robinson won the MVP in both leagues.

    Who has come closest?

    1) Anyone finish 1st and 2nd

    2) Anyone finish 2nd in both leagues, or first and 3rd?

    3) 3rd in both league?

    Allen went 4th and 1st.
    McGwire finished 4th and 2nd.
    Last edited by brett; 02-08-2019, 07:27 PM.

  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by redban View Post

    Roger Clemens:

    BOS '84 - 96' - 81.0 WAR

    TOR, NYY, HOU '96 - 07' - 58.0 WAR (right at the border for a HOF pitcher, but probably good enough because of the 2 crazy peak years with Toronto)
    Yes- 58 WAR in 12 seasons with a handful of GREAT seasons is a HOFer pretty easily.

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  • redban
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    Originally posted by Stolensingle View Post
    Frank Robinson almost had two HOF careers. When he was with the Reds, his JAWS was 56.4, just about average for HOF RFers, and which would have ranked 12th of 26 in the HOF. For the rest of his career, his JAWS was 44.4, which would rank 17th.

    How many other players have done something like that? Bonds had a JAWS of 50.3 at Pittsburgh, which would have ranked 10th of 20 HOFers at LF. At SF, his JAWS was 76.0, basically a tie for 3d among LFers. So not considering PEDs, Bonds was a strong HOF candidate after his seven seasons at Pittsburgh,and of course a lock at SF..

    ARod: 50.1 JAWS with NYY, 11th/15 for 3B. 61.1 for SE + TEX, 6th/22 SS. ARod, forgetting the PEDS, was a certain HOFer after his ten years at SE and Texas, and had a strong case as a HOF 3B just for his time in NY. Two HOF careers at two different positions with three different teams.

    Beltre had a near-HOF career before going to Texas (JAWS 43.7), and another near-HOF career while there (42.3).

    Speaker: 55.8 JAWS at Boston, 8th/19 CFers; 64.0 at Cleveland, 7th.

    Colllins had HOF careers at Philadelphia and Chicago, about 56 JAWS at each, 9th/20 second basemen.

    But unlike any of those players, so far, Robinson also won > 1000 games as a manager. AFAIK, the only other man to win > 1000 games as a manager and finish in the top 50 in career WAR as a player is Frankie Frisch.
    Roger Clemens:

    BOS '84 - 96' - 81.0 WAR

    TOR, NYY, HOU '96 - 07' - 58.0 WAR (right at the border for a HOF pitcher, but probably good enough because of the 2 crazy peak years with Toronto)

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    Verlander was first and tenth.
    Not sure where you are going with this.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Mark McGwire had finishes of 4th, 6th, and 7th in the AL and 2nd and 5th in the NL.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Zack Grienke had a 1st Cy finish (but only 17th MVP finish in the AL) and a 2nd Cy finish with a 7th MVP in the NL.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Eddie Murray finished 2nd a couple times with the Orioles and 5th with the Dodgers (1990).

    Dave Winfield finished 3rd with the Padres (1979) and 4th with the Yankees (1988).

    Carlos Delgado finished 2nd with Toronto (2003) and 6th with Florida (6th).

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  • Stolensingle
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    Frank Robinson almost had two HOF careers. When he was with the Reds, his JAWS was 56.4, just about average for HOF RFers, and which would have ranked 12th of 26 in the HOF. For the rest of his career, his JAWS was 44.4, which would rank 17th.

    How many other players have done something like that? Bonds had a JAWS of 50.3 at Pittsburgh, which would have ranked 10th of 20 HOFers at LF. At SF, his JAWS was 76.0, basically a tie for 3d among LFers. So not considering PEDs, Bonds was a strong HOF candidate after his seven seasons at Pittsburgh,and of course a lock at SF..

    ARod: 50.1 JAWS with NYY, 11th/15 for 3B. 61.1 for SE + TEX, 6th/22 SS. ARod, forgetting the PEDS, was a certain HOFer after his ten years at SE and Texas, and had a strong case as a HOF 3B just for his time in NY. Two HOF careers at two different positions with three different teams.

    Beltre had a near-HOF career before going to Texas (JAWS 43.7), and another near-HOF career while there (42.3).

    Speaker: 55.8 JAWS at Boston, 8th/19 CFers; 64.0 at Cleveland, 7th.

    Colllins had HOF careers at Philadelphia and Chicago, about 56 JAWS at each, 9th/20 second basemen.

    But unlike any of those players, so far, Robinson also won > 1000 games as a manager. AFAIK, the only other man to win > 1000 games as a manager and finish in the top 50 in career WAR as a player is Frankie Frisch.
    Last edited by Stolensingle; 02-09-2019, 06:36 PM.

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  • redban
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    Manny Ramirez was 3rd in AL, and 4th in NL.

    The 4th in NL is impressive because he played around 50 games in the NL. That 4th place is considered the highest that any player can finish after he gets traded to another league mid season.

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  • willshad
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    Randy was 6th and 7th, Verlander was first and tenth.

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  • brett
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    Originally posted by redban View Post

    Roger Clemens won the AL MVP in 1986. Finished in the top 10 in NL MVP in 2004. Probably the best result for a pitcher in this thread
    Here's some guys I found with top 10 in both leagues
    Jenkins went 7th and 5th
    Perry went 6th and 8th



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  • redban
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    Originally posted by brett View Post
    Halladay went 1-2-3 in the AL Cy Young and 1-2 in the NL. Suprised to see that Halladay won the AL MVP but didn't get a single MVP point while 4 other pitchers did. Never got an MVP point in the AL despite 1-2-3-5-5 finished in the Cy.
    Roger Clemens won the AL MVP in 1986. Finished in the top 10 in NL MVP in 2004. Probably the best result for a pitcher in this thread

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  • SavoyBG
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    Beltre was 2nd in the NL and 3rd in the AL.

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  • pedrosrotatorcuff
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    Originally posted by brett View Post
    McGwire finished 4th and 2nd.
    Daily reminder that in a sane world that would have been "4th and 1st".

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  • brett
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    Justice went 3 and 5 and Eddie Murray went 2 and 5.

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