each franchise top 10>>>>San Francisco Giants

[leagueleader]

1. Willie Mays) alltime franchise leader in every offensive dept. AB, R, H, 2B, HR, RBI & SB
2. Barry Bonds) would be 1A but steroids puts him at #2
3. Christy Mathewson) 100 more wins than any other Giant
4. Carl Hubbell
5. Juan Marichal
6. Mel Ott
7. Willie McCovey
8. Bill Terry
9. John Mize
10. Will Clark

[SavoyBG]

John Mize

He only played 655 games on the Giants.

[bluesky5]

1). Willie Mays
2). Barry Bonds
3). Willie McCovey
4). Mel Ott
5). Juan Marichal
6). Carl Hubbell
7). Buster Posey
8). Jeff Kent
9). Bill Terry
10). Bobby Bonds

I'm sorry -- I don't care one stick about a guy who pitched from 1900-1916. MLB back then was like the minor leagues or amateur leagues now. (don't want to get in a long discussion about this again)

How can Willie Mays, McCovey and Marichal be ranked above Bonds (for Mays) and Posey and Kent for the rest? They debuted 60-70 years ago. Mathewson debuted 50 years before Mays and 60 before McCovey and Marichal. Bonds, Kent and Posey had to face way more specialized relief, way more international players, travel far further to play. What about Madison Bumgarner being the ace for 3 World Series winners. Surely he throws far faster than Juan Marichal.

"Life was hard for most people in the poor farming village, and the Marichals were no exception, living in a palm bark shack without electricity. However, farming ensured their having food. Francisco died when Juan was three, leaving the family in even worse straits. Juan tended the family’s horses, goats, and donkeys, and spent his free time fishing and swimming in the Yaque del Norte River.

When Juan was ten, tragedy nearly struck — he fell unconscious and lay in a coma for nine days. Poor digestion was the culprit, but treating it effectively in such a remote area was difficult. There seemed little hope for the boy, but a local doctor suggested giving him steam baths, and he regained consciousness."

Marichal had a poor diet. Had no welfare or social security. Lived in a palm bark shack. This is the kind of player Mays, Aaron, F. Robinson was playing against. Really shows how inflated and overrated they are.

[Los Bravos]

'The Alpha & Omega' Jesus 'H.' Christ of Nazareth ≥ 'The Christian Gentleman' Christy 'Big 6' Mathewson
'The Christian Gentleman' Christy 'Big 6' Mathewson > Mel Ott, yawn
'Gentleman' Tim 'Smiling Tim' Keefe from Cambridge > Amos 'the Hoosier Thunderbolt' Rusie

Now I'm flashing on Harris getting all irate because he thought Serrano said Jesus couldn't hit a curveball in Major League.

[jjpm74]

1. Willie Mays
2. Christy Mathewson
3. Barry Bonds
4. Mel Ott
5. Carl Hubbell
6. Willie McCiovey
7. Bill Terry
8. Juan Marichal
9. Buster Posey
10. Madison Bumgarner - there are a lot of worthy players that I could have placed here. I went with the team's most recent World Series hero for #10.

[leagueleader]

He only played 655 games on the Giants.

The OP didn't mention the length of time a player had to spend with a team to be considered . I myself eliminate a player with less than
3000 AB's as a general rule & get your point. IMO John Mize is an exception. Mize lost his prime years in the military 30-32 years of age
with the Giants. If he would have had those 1500 AB's I think I would have put him much higher on the Giant list, let's give him WAR CREDIT!
For the Giants lifetime he was; 4th all time OPS, 3rd all time giant SLG., 9th all time OBP.

Lets remember in the 5 years he played with the Giants he started all 5 all star games batting cleanup 3X. No other NL player during
those 5 years was a starter in all 5 of those years games along with Mize

[GiambiJuice]

The OP didn't mention the length of time a player had to spend with a team to be considered . I myself eliminate a player with less than
3000 AB's as a general rule & get your point. IMO John Mize is an exception. Mize lost his prime years in the military 30-32 years of age
with the Giants. If he would have had those 1500 AB's I think I would have put him much higher on the Giant list, let's give him WAR CREDIT!
For the Giants lifetime he was; 4th all time OPS, 3rd all time giant SLG., 9th all time OBP.

Lets remember in the 5 years he played with the Giants he started all 5 all star games batting cleanup 3X. No other NL player during
those 5 years was a starter in all 5 of those years games along with Mize

Mize made my list too.

[dgarza]

Mize made my list too.

Mize was battling for the 10th spot on my list.

[JR Hart]

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Mize, (bottom center) hit .475 with 17 HRs in 51 games for the Great Lakes Blue Jackets in 1943. Mickey Cochrane (center) was the manager.

[GiambiJuice]

Mize was battling for the 10th spot on my list.

Yeah, I ended up giving him war credit since he was with the Giants when he lost three full seasons to WW2 during his prime.

I took the 3 seasons preceding the war and the 3 seasons after the war and averaged it all out, and via this method Mize lost 414 games, 99 home runs, 340 RBI, and around 19 WAR.

With the war credit added in, Mize's tenure with the Giants looks something like this:

8 seasons
1,069 Games
.310/.400/.575
160-ish OPS+
256 HR, 919 RBI
47.5 WAR
All-Star every year as a Giant

[JR Hart]

Final results

1) Willie Mays	217
2) Barry Bonds	182
3) Christy Mathewson	170
4) Mel Ott	159
5) Carl Hubbell	116
6) Juan Marichal	93
7) Willie McCovey	92
8) Bill Terry	49
9) Roger Connor	44
10) Amos Rusie	37.5

Buster Posey	27
Johnny Mize	5
Jeff Kent	4
Mickey Welch	4
Orlando Cepeda	2
Tim Keefe	2
Art Fletcher	2
Will Clark	2
Bobby Bonds	1
Madison Bumgarner	1
Freddie Fitzsimmons	0.5

[BigRon]

I give players differing levels of credit for time lost to military service. I inadvertently neglected to do so in Mize's case. He would have been in my top 10 if I had remembered.

[Bothrops Atrox]

Final results

1) Willie Mays	217
2) Barry Bonds	182
3) Christy Mathewson	170
4) Mel Ott	159
5) Carl Hubbell	116
6) Juan Marichal	93
7) Willie McCovey	92
8) Bill Terry	49
9) Roger Connor	44
10) Amos Rusie	37.5

Buster Posey	27
Johnny Mize	5
Jeff Kent	4
Mickey Welch	4
Orlando Cepeda	2
Tim Keefe	2
Art Fletcher	2
Will Clark	2
Bobby Bonds	1
Madison Bumgarner	1
Freddie Fitzsimmons	0.5

Whew! Russie made it at #10. The Great Hoosier Thunderbolt Conspiracy is officially over!