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  • #46
    1. Willie Mays) alltime franchise leader in every offensive dept. AB, R, H, 2B, HR, RBI & SB
    2. Barry Bonds) would be 1A but steroids puts him at #2
    3. Christy Mathewson) 100 more wins than any other Giant
    4. Carl Hubbell
    5. Juan Marichal
    6. Mel Ott
    7. Willie McCovey
    8. Bill Terry
    9. John Mize
    10. Will Clark

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    • #47
      Originally posted by leagueleader View Post
      John Mize
      He only played 655 games on the Giants.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by redban View Post
        1). Willie Mays
        2). Barry Bonds
        3). Willie McCovey
        4). Mel Ott
        5). Juan Marichal
        6). Carl Hubbell
        7). Buster Posey
        8). Jeff Kent
        9). Bill Terry
        10). Bobby Bonds
        Originally posted by redban View Post

        I'm sorry -- I don't care one stick about a guy who pitched from 1900-1916. MLB back then was like the minor leagues or amateur leagues now. (don't want to get in a long discussion about this again)
        How can Willie Mays, McCovey and Marichal be ranked above Bonds (for Mays) and Posey and Kent for the rest? They debuted 60-70 years ago. Mathewson debuted 50 years before Mays and 60 before McCovey and Marichal. Bonds, Kent and Posey had to face way more specialized relief, way more international players, travel far further to play. What about Madison Bumgarner being the ace for 3 World Series winners. Surely he throws far faster than Juan Marichal.

        "Life was hard for most people in the poor farming village, and the Marichals were no exception, living in a palm bark shack without electricity. However, farming ensured their having food. Francisco died when Juan was three, leaving the family in even worse straits. Juan tended the family’s horses, goats, and donkeys, and spent his free time fishing and swimming in the Yaque del Norte River.

        When Juan was ten, tragedy nearly struck — he fell unconscious and lay in a coma for nine days. Poor digestion was the culprit, but treating it effectively in such a remote area was difficult. There seemed little hope for the boy, but a local doctor suggested giving him steam baths, and he regained consciousness."


        Marichal had a poor diet. Had no welfare or social security. Lived in a palm bark shack. This is the kind of player Mays, Aaron, F. Robinson was playing against. Really shows how inflated and overrated they are.


        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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        • #49
          Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
          'The Alpha & Omega' Jesus 'H.' Christ of Nazareth ≥ 'The Christian Gentleman' Christy 'Big 6' Mathewson
          'The Christian Gentleman' Christy 'Big 6' Mathewson > Mel Ott, yawn
          'Gentleman' Tim 'Smiling Tim' Keefe from Cambridge > Amos 'the Hoosier Thunderbolt' Rusie
          Now I'm flashing on Harris getting all irate because he thought Serrano said Jesus couldn't hit a curveball in Major League.
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          "All of which makes perfect sense on paper, unless you have actually at any time in your life watched baseball being played." - The Commissioner

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          • #50
            1. Willie Mays
            2. Christy Mathewson
            3. Barry Bonds
            4. Mel Ott
            5. Carl Hubbell
            6. Willie McCiovey
            7. Bill Terry
            8. Juan Marichal
            9. Buster Posey
            10. Madison Bumgarner - there are a lot of worthy players that I could have placed here. I went with the team's most recent World Series hero for #10.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

              He only played 655 games on the Giants.
              The OP didn't mention the length of time a player had to spend with a team to be considered . I myself eliminate a player with less than
              3000 AB's as a general rule & get your point. IMO John Mize is an exception. Mize lost his prime years in the military 30-32 years of age
              with the Giants. If he would have had those 1500 AB's I think I would have put him much higher on the Giant list, let's give him WAR CREDIT!
              For the Giants lifetime he was; 4th all time OPS, 3rd all time giant SLG., 9th all time OBP.

              Lets remember in the 5 years he played with the Giants he started all 5 all star games batting cleanup 3X. No other NL player during
              those 5 years was a starter in all 5 of those years games along with Mize


              Last edited by leagueleader; 05-21-2019, 01:31 PM.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by leagueleader View Post

                The OP didn't mention the length of time a player had to spend with a team to be considered . I myself eliminate a player with less than
                3000 AB's as a general rule & get your point. IMO John Mize is an exception. Mize lost his prime years in the military 30-32 years of age
                with the Giants. If he would have had those 1500 AB's I think I would have put him much higher on the Giant list, let's give him WAR CREDIT!
                For the Giants lifetime he was; 4th all time OPS, 3rd all time giant SLG., 9th all time OBP.

                Lets remember in the 5 years he played with the Giants he started all 5 all star games batting cleanup 3X. No other NL player during
                those 5 years was a starter in all 5 of those years games along with Mize

                Mize made my list too.
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                  Mize made my list too.
                  Mize was battling for the 10th spot on my list.

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                  • #54
                    great_lakes_wheel.jpg

                    Mize, (bottom center) hit .475 with 17 HRs in 51 games for the Great Lakes Blue Jackets in 1943. Mickey Cochrane (center) was the manager.
                    This week's Giant

                    #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by dgarza View Post

                      Mize was battling for the 10th spot on my list.
                      Yeah, I ended up giving him war credit since he was with the Giants when he lost three full seasons to WW2 during his prime.

                      I took the 3 seasons preceding the war and the 3 seasons after the war and averaged it all out, and via this method Mize lost 414 games, 99 home runs, 340 RBI, and around 19 WAR.

                      With the war credit added in, Mize's tenure with the Giants looks something like this:

                      8 seasons
                      1,069 Games
                      .310/.400/.575
                      160-ish OPS+
                      256 HR, 919 RBI
                      47.5 WAR
                      All-Star every year as a Giant



                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • #56
                        Final results

                        1) Willie Mays 217
                        2) Barry Bonds 182
                        3) Christy Mathewson 170
                        4) Mel Ott 159
                        5) Carl Hubbell 116
                        6) Juan Marichal 93
                        7) Willie McCovey 92
                        8) Bill Terry 49
                        9) Roger Connor 44
                        10) Amos Rusie 37.5

                        Buster Posey 27
                        Johnny Mize 5
                        Jeff Kent 4
                        Mickey Welch 4
                        Orlando Cepeda 2
                        Tim Keefe 2
                        Art Fletcher 2
                        Will Clark 2
                        Bobby Bonds 1
                        Madison Bumgarner 1
                        Freddie Fitzsimmons 0.5
                        This week's Giant

                        #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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                        • #57
                          I give players differing levels of credit for time lost to military service. I inadvertently neglected to do so in Mize's case. He would have been in my top 10 if I had remembered.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
                            Final results
                            1) Willie Mays 217
                            2) Barry Bonds 182
                            3) Christy Mathewson 170
                            4) Mel Ott 159
                            5) Carl Hubbell 116
                            6) Juan Marichal 93
                            7) Willie McCovey 92
                            8) Bill Terry 49
                            9) Roger Connor 44
                            10) Amos Rusie 37.5
                            Buster Posey 27
                            Johnny Mize 5
                            Jeff Kent 4
                            Mickey Welch 4
                            Orlando Cepeda 2
                            Tim Keefe 2
                            Art Fletcher 2
                            Will Clark 2
                            Bobby Bonds 1
                            Madison Bumgarner 1
                            Freddie Fitzsimmons 0.5
                            Whew! Russie made it at #10. The Great Hoosier Thunderbolt Conspiracy is officially over!
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