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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
    Final results
    1) Willie Mays 217
    2) Barry Bonds 182
    3) Christy Mathewson 170
    4) Mel Ott 159
    5) Carl Hubbell 116
    6) Juan Marichal 93
    7) Willie McCovey 92
    8) Bill Terry 49
    9) Roger Connor 44
    10) Amos Rusie 37.5
    Buster Posey 27
    Johnny Mize 5
    Jeff Kent 4
    Mickey Welch 4
    Orlando Cepeda 2
    Tim Keefe 2
    Art Fletcher 2
    Will Clark 2
    Bobby Bonds 1
    Madison Bumgarner 1
    Freddie Fitzsimmons 0.5
    Whew! Russie made it at #10. The Great Hoosier Thunderbolt Conspiracy is officially over!

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  • BigRon
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    I give players differing levels of credit for time lost to military service. I inadvertently neglected to do so in Mize's case. He would have been in my top 10 if I had remembered.

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  • JR Hart
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    Final results

    1) Willie Mays 217
    2) Barry Bonds 182
    3) Christy Mathewson 170
    4) Mel Ott 159
    5) Carl Hubbell 116
    6) Juan Marichal 93
    7) Willie McCovey 92
    8) Bill Terry 49
    9) Roger Connor 44
    10) Amos Rusie 37.5

    Buster Posey 27
    Johnny Mize 5
    Jeff Kent 4
    Mickey Welch 4
    Orlando Cepeda 2
    Tim Keefe 2
    Art Fletcher 2
    Will Clark 2
    Bobby Bonds 1
    Madison Bumgarner 1
    Freddie Fitzsimmons 0.5

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by dgarza View Post

    Mize was battling for the 10th spot on my list.
    Yeah, I ended up giving him war credit since he was with the Giants when he lost three full seasons to WW2 during his prime.

    I took the 3 seasons preceding the war and the 3 seasons after the war and averaged it all out, and via this method Mize lost 414 games, 99 home runs, 340 RBI, and around 19 WAR.

    With the war credit added in, Mize's tenure with the Giants looks something like this:

    8 seasons
    1,069 Games
    .310/.400/.575
    160-ish OPS+
    256 HR, 919 RBI
    47.5 WAR
    All-Star every year as a Giant



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  • JR Hart
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    great_lakes_wheel.jpg

    Mize, (bottom center) hit .475 with 17 HRs in 51 games for the Great Lakes Blue Jackets in 1943. Mickey Cochrane (center) was the manager.

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  • dgarza
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

    Mize made my list too.
    Mize was battling for the 10th spot on my list.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by leagueleader View Post

    The OP didn't mention the length of time a player had to spend with a team to be considered . I myself eliminate a player with less than
    3000 AB's as a general rule & get your point. IMO John Mize is an exception. Mize lost his prime years in the military 30-32 years of age
    with the Giants. If he would have had those 1500 AB's I think I would have put him much higher on the Giant list, let's give him WAR CREDIT!
    For the Giants lifetime he was; 4th all time OPS, 3rd all time giant SLG., 9th all time OBP.

    Lets remember in the 5 years he played with the Giants he started all 5 all star games batting cleanup 3X. No other NL player during
    those 5 years was a starter in all 5 of those years games along with Mize

    Mize made my list too.

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  • leagueleader
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    Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

    He only played 655 games on the Giants.
    The OP didn't mention the length of time a player had to spend with a team to be considered . I myself eliminate a player with less than
    3000 AB's as a general rule & get your point. IMO John Mize is an exception. Mize lost his prime years in the military 30-32 years of age
    with the Giants. If he would have had those 1500 AB's I think I would have put him much higher on the Giant list, let's give him WAR CREDIT!
    For the Giants lifetime he was; 4th all time OPS, 3rd all time giant SLG., 9th all time OBP.

    Lets remember in the 5 years he played with the Giants he started all 5 all star games batting cleanup 3X. No other NL player during
    those 5 years was a starter in all 5 of those years games along with Mize


    Last edited by leagueleader; 05-21-2019, 01:31 PM.

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  • jjpm74
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    1. Willie Mays
    2. Christy Mathewson
    3. Barry Bonds
    4. Mel Ott
    5. Carl Hubbell
    6. Willie McCiovey
    7. Bill Terry
    8. Juan Marichal
    9. Buster Posey
    10. Madison Bumgarner - there are a lot of worthy players that I could have placed here. I went with the team's most recent World Series hero for #10.

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  • Los Bravos
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    Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
    'The Alpha & Omega' Jesus 'H.' Christ of Nazareth ≥ 'The Christian Gentleman' Christy 'Big 6' Mathewson
    'The Christian Gentleman' Christy 'Big 6' Mathewson > Mel Ott, yawn
    'Gentleman' Tim 'Smiling Tim' Keefe from Cambridge > Amos 'the Hoosier Thunderbolt' Rusie
    Now I'm flashing on Harris getting all irate because he thought Serrano said Jesus couldn't hit a curveball in Major League.

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  • bluesky5
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    Originally posted by redban View Post
    1). Willie Mays
    2). Barry Bonds
    3). Willie McCovey
    4). Mel Ott
    5). Juan Marichal
    6). Carl Hubbell
    7). Buster Posey
    8). Jeff Kent
    9). Bill Terry
    10). Bobby Bonds
    Originally posted by redban View Post

    I'm sorry -- I don't care one stick about a guy who pitched from 1900-1916. MLB back then was like the minor leagues or amateur leagues now. (don't want to get in a long discussion about this again)
    How can Willie Mays, McCovey and Marichal be ranked above Bonds (for Mays) and Posey and Kent for the rest? They debuted 60-70 years ago. Mathewson debuted 50 years before Mays and 60 before McCovey and Marichal. Bonds, Kent and Posey had to face way more specialized relief, way more international players, travel far further to play. What about Madison Bumgarner being the ace for 3 World Series winners. Surely he throws far faster than Juan Marichal.

    "Life was hard for most people in the poor farming village, and the Marichals were no exception, living in a palm bark shack without electricity. However, farming ensured their having food. Francisco died when Juan was three, leaving the family in even worse straits. Juan tended the family’s horses, goats, and donkeys, and spent his free time fishing and swimming in the Yaque del Norte River.

    When Juan was ten, tragedy nearly struck — he fell unconscious and lay in a coma for nine days. Poor digestion was the culprit, but treating it effectively in such a remote area was difficult. There seemed little hope for the boy, but a local doctor suggested giving him steam baths, and he regained consciousness."


    Marichal had a poor diet. Had no welfare or social security. Lived in a palm bark shack. This is the kind of player Mays, Aaron, F. Robinson was playing against. Really shows how inflated and overrated they are.


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  • SavoyBG
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    Originally posted by leagueleader View Post
    John Mize
    He only played 655 games on the Giants.

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  • leagueleader
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    1. Willie Mays) alltime franchise leader in every offensive dept. AB, R, H, 2B, HR, RBI & SB
    2. Barry Bonds) would be 1A but steroids puts him at #2
    3. Christy Mathewson) 100 more wins than any other Giant
    4. Carl Hubbell
    5. Juan Marichal
    6. Mel Ott
    7. Willie McCovey
    8. Bill Terry
    9. John Mize
    10. Will Clark

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  • JR Hart
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    voting ends Thursday

    new voters are welcome

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  • bluesky5
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    Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

    Folks! We found another anti-Russie conspirator! Batten down the hatches!
    Supposedly Fidel Castro tried out for the Giants.

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