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    Who can make the best team using only white, US-born players who were born after baseball became integrated (1947)?

    Players must have been born in 1948 or after.

    8 positions plus one DH, one LHSP, one RHSP, and one relief pitcher.

    Must have played at least 50% of games at assigned position to be eligibile.

    My team:

    1 Mike Trout CF
    2 Craig Biggio 2B
    3 George Brett 38
    4 Mark McGwire 1B
    5 Mike Piazza C
    6 Matt Holliday LF
    7 Travis Hafner DH
    8 Cal Ripken Jr. SS
    9 Dwight Evans RF

    RHSP Roger Clemens
    LHSP Randy Johnson
    RP Craig Kimbrel

    I hope this topic doesn't offend anyone. My main takeaway from this exercise is just what a massive impact integration had on the quality of MLB talent. There is no doubt in my mind that the "all non-white, born after 1947" team would crush the all-white team. For me it kinda puts things into perspective when you realize that the greats of yesteryear never had to face dark-skinned players. It's not their fault (unless their name is Cap Anson or something) but it puts a bit of a damper on their accomplishments.
    Last edited by GiambiJuice; 08-13-2019, 12:08 PM.
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

  • #2
    Johnny Bench, Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Bruce Sutter?
    It Might Be? It Could Be?? It Is!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 64Cards View Post
      Johnny Bench, Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Bruce Sutter?
      I should have taken Brett. Forgot him. I took Chipper over Schmidt because he's a switch hitter and my team already had too many righties. But I'll like Brett over Schmidt regardless.

      Bench was born in 1947, not eligible.

      I think Kimbrel or Eckersely or Gossage or Joe Nathan or Billy Wagner are all better than Sutter.
      Last edited by GiambiJuice; 08-13-2019, 11:54 AM.
      My top 10 players:

      1. Babe Ruth
      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Ty Cobb
      4. Ted Williams
      5. Willie Mays
      6. Alex Rodriguez
      7. Hank Aaron
      8. Honus Wagner
      9. Lou Gehrig
      10. Mickey Mantle

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      • #4
        Can we include white guys who born in Canada? Canuckland is way whiter than the US, and there have been Canadian pro baseball players since the very beginnings of the National Association. If so, I'd swap Hafner for either Justin Morneau or Joey Votto.

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        • #5
          The post 1947 pitchers would match up or better any other time.

          Matt Holliday over Yaz or Rose in LF? Ryan Braun is probably better.

          You are missing a bunch of guys

          Kaline > Dwight Evans Larry Walker too, but he's Canadian

          Mantle > Trout

          Sandberg > Biggio
          Last edited by JR Hart; 08-13-2019, 11:57 AM.
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          #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
            The post 1947 pitchers would match up or better any other time.

            Matt Holliday over Yaz or Rose in LF?

            You are missing a bunch of guys

            Larry Walker> Dwight Evans

            Mantle > Trout
            Yaz, Rose, and Mantle, and Kaline were all born before 1947.

            Walker is Canadian.
            Last edited by GiambiJuice; 08-13-2019, 12:09 PM.
            My top 10 players:

            1. Babe Ruth
            2. Barry Bonds
            3. Ty Cobb
            4. Ted Williams
            5. Willie Mays
            6. Alex Rodriguez
            7. Hank Aaron
            8. Honus Wagner
            9. Lou Gehrig
            10. Mickey Mantle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pedrosrotatorcuff View Post
              Can we include white guys who born in Canada? Canuckland is way whiter than the US, and there have been Canadian pro baseball players since the very beginnings of the National Association. If so, I'd swap Hafner for either Justin Morneau or Joey Votto.
              Morneau and Votto are not eligible at DH anyway. I can't think of a better choice than Hafner.

              If Canadians were allowed Larry Walker would be a no-brainer in RF.
              My top 10 players:

              1. Babe Ruth
              2. Barry Bonds
              3. Ty Cobb
              4. Ted Williams
              5. Willie Mays
              6. Alex Rodriguez
              7. Hank Aaron
              8. Honus Wagner
              9. Lou Gehrig
              10. Mickey Mantle

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              • #8
                Not to get too racial but the "white team" would have an insane 5 man starting staff.

                Roger Clemens
                Greg Maddux
                Randy Johnson,
                Clayton Kershaw
                Pick one (Roy Halladay, Zack Grienke, Tom Glavine, Mike Mussina, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander)

                The "non-white" team wouldn't have anywhere near this type of pitching depth IMO. After Pedro Martinez is there another all time great "non-white" pitcher born since 1947? Juan Marichal and Bob Gibson were both born in the mid 1930's. Fergie Jenkins was born in 1942.

                Pedro Martinez
                C.C. Sabathia
                Vida Blue
                Johann Santana
                Dwight Gooden?

                The white pitching staff completely blows away the non-white pitching staff.
                Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 08-13-2019, 12:07 PM.
                Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                  Morneau and Votto are not eligible at DH anyway. I can't think of a better choice than Hafner.

                  If Canadians were allowed Larry Walker would be a no-brainer in RF.
                  Edgar Martinez? He was born in NYC and is Puerto Rican who are American citizens by law as well. Latinos can also be white. They are not mutually exclusive .
                  Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                    Not to get too racial but the "white team" would have an insane 5 man starting staff.

                    Roger Clemens
                    Greg Maddux
                    Randy Johnson,
                    Clayton Kershaw
                    Pick one (Roy Halladay, Zack Grienke, Tom Glavine, Mike Mussina, Max Scherzer, Justin Verander)

                    The "non-white" team wouldn't have anywhere near this type of pitching depth IMO. After Pedro Martinez is there another all time great "non-white" pitcher born since 1947? Juan Marichal and Bob Gibson were both born in the mid 1930's. Fergie Jenkins was born in 1942,

                    Pedro Martinez
                    C.C. Sabathia
                    Vida Blue
                    Johann Santana
                    Dwight Gooden?

                    The white pitching staff completely blows away the non-white pitching staff.
                    You make a good point that I hadn't thought about when I said the non-white team would "crush" the white team. Though the non-whites would field a better lineup and have Mariano Rivera as their closer, starting pitching is certainly tilted heavily in favor of the all-whites team.

                    My top 10 players:

                    1. Babe Ruth
                    2. Barry Bonds
                    3. Ty Cobb
                    4. Ted Williams
                    5. Willie Mays
                    6. Alex Rodriguez
                    7. Hank Aaron
                    8. Honus Wagner
                    9. Lou Gehrig
                    10. Mickey Mantle

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

                      Edgar Martinez? He was born in NYC and is Puerto Rican who are American citizens by law as well. Latinos can also be white. They are not mutually exclusive .
                      I've never thought of Edgar as white but I suppose a case can be made. It is news to me that he was born in NY, I thought Puerto Rico. I mean, technically Alex Rodriguez was born in NY too and he has pretty light skin...but I don't think people consider him "white".
                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                        I've never thought of Edgar as white but I suppose a case can be made. It is news to me that he was born in NY, I thought Puerto Rico. I mean, technically Alex Rodriguez was born in NY too and he has pretty light skin...but I don't think people consider him "white".
                        It depends on culture I suppose. I am Latino with darker skin but my youngest brother and my only sister look white to the random person. I have first cousins with blue eyes and light brown hair. On the other side of the spectrum I have cousins who look straight out indigenous.
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                          Yaz, Rose, and Mantle, and Kaline were all born before 1947.

                          Walker is Canadian.
                          my bad i didn't read the Op well enough
                          This week's Giant

                          #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                            Morneau and Votto are not eligible at DH anyway. I can't think of a better choice than Hafner.
                            Anyone is eligible for DH, unless you mean purely in terms of majority-playing time status.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pedrosrotatorcuff View Post

                              Anyone is eligible for DH, unless you mean purely in terms of majority-playing time status.
                              Please read the first post. Must have played 50% of games at DH to be eligible at DH.
                              My top 10 players:

                              1. Babe Ruth
                              2. Barry Bonds
                              3. Ty Cobb
                              4. Ted Williams
                              5. Willie Mays
                              6. Alex Rodriguez
                              7. Hank Aaron
                              8. Honus Wagner
                              9. Lou Gehrig
                              10. Mickey Mantle

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