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  • 2019 BBF Top 100 Position Players of All Time #46-50

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Barry Bonds
    5. Honus Wagner
    6. Ted Williams
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Stan Musial
    9. Rogers Hornsby
    10. Tris Speaker
    11. Lou Gehrig
    12. Mickey Mantle
    13. Alex Rodriguez
    14. Joe DiMaggio
    15. Mike Schmidt
    16. Albert Pujols
    17. Eddie Collins
    18. Frank Robinson
    19. Rickey Henderson
    20. Oscar Charleston
    21. Jimmie Foxx
    22. Mel Ott
    23. Nap Lajoie
    24. Eddie Mathews
    25. Johnny Bench
    26. Joe Morgan
    27. Josh Gibson
    28. Ken Griffey Jr.
    29. Mike Piazza
    30. Jackie Robinson
    31. George Brett
    32. Roberto Clemente
    33. Cal Ripken Jr.
    34. Cap Anson
    35. Mike Trout
    36. Carl Yastrzemski
    37. Al Kaline
    38. Dan Brouthers
    39. Yogi Berra
    40. Charlie Gehringer
    41. Jeff Bagwell - 32
    42. Chipper Jones - 32
    43. Johnny Mize - 29
    44. Pop Lloyd - 26
    45. Arky Vaughan - 23


    Delahanty - 20
    Boggs - 20
    Carter - 13
    Thome - 11
    Beltre - 8
    Shoeless - 8
    Manny - 6
    Rose - 5
    Davis -5
    Walker - 4
    Hamilton-4
    Reggie - 4
    Carew - 4
    Sosa - 4
    Ivan - 4
    Miggy - 3
    Vlad - 3
    A Simmons - 3
    Jeter - 3
    Banks - 2
    Sheff- 2
    Hurt - 2
    Greenberg - 1
    Connor - 1
    Dickey-1
    Appling - 1
    McCovey-1

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  • #2
    1. Jim Thome
    2. Sammy Sosa
    3. Ed Delahanty
    4. Wade Boggs
    5. Gary Carter

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    • #3
      1. Wade Boggs
      2. Rod Carew
      3. Reggie Jackson
      4. Adrian Beltre
      5. Hank Greenberg-credit for military service
      Last edited by NJRob65; 10-25-2019, 09:32 PM.

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      • #4
        Reggie Jackson
        Rod Carew
        Pete Rose
        Frankie Frisch
        Gary Carter

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        • #5
          Billy Hamilton
          Ed Delahanty
          Vlad
          Derek Jeter
          Hank Greenberg

          Interesting that Mize got 29 points last round and Greenberg just 1. When did Mize> Hank become the consensus?

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          • #6
            Delahanty
            Manny
            Reggie J
            Sheffield
            Greenberg
            This week's Giant

            #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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            • #7
              I don't see Rod Carew top 80+

              Can someone post a reason for his high ranking???????
              This week's Giant

              #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
                I don't see Rod Carew top 80+

                Can someone post a reason for his high ranking???????
                A 131 lifetime OPS+ in almost 2500 games, with half of them at second base. 18(!!) All Star games (fifth all time). Seven batting titles. .328 lifetine BA. Great speed. He was as good a hitter as Clemente, with more speed, as a middle infielder. If Clemente is number 32, how can Carew not be top 80?

                Carew was an All Star every single season of his career except his final one.
                Last edited by willshad; 10-25-2019, 11:15 PM.

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                • #9
                  Boggs
                  Connor
                  Davis
                  Beltre
                  Rose

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by willshad View Post
                    Billy Hamilton
                    Ed Delahanty
                    Vlad
                    Derek Jeter
                    Hank Greenberg

                    Interesting that Mize got 29 points last round and Greenberg just 1. When did Mize> Hank become the consensus?
                    when we got their split data

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                    • #11
                      1. Ed Delahanty
                      2. Wade Boggs
                      3. Reggie Jackson
                      4. Roger Connor
                      5. Gary Carter

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by willshad View Post

                        A 131 lifetime OPS+ in almost 2500 games, with half of them at second base. 18(!!) All Star games (fifth all time). Seven batting titles. .328 lifetine BA. Great speed. He was as good a hitter as Clemente, with more speed, as a middle infielder. If Clemente is number 32, how can Carew not be top 80?

                        Carew was an All Star every single season of his career except his final one.
                        Carew was a very different type of hitter than Clemente. Clemente, though not a big home run hitter, was a slashing line drive hitter, often hitting the ball hard. Carew was more of a soft serve guy- great bat control, but modest power. Carew had good speed and was a good baserunner, but so was Clemente. Carew was a mediocre second baseman and an undistinguished first baseman. I give Clemente a modest advantage as a hitter and a huge margin as a defender. Carew was a great player, but I see him probably somewhere in the 60s- 70s.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by willshad View Post
                          Billy Hamilton
                          Ed Delahanty
                          Vlad
                          Derek Jeter
                          Hank Greenberg

                          Interesting that Mize got 29 points last round and Greenberg just 1. When did Mize> Hank become the consensus?
                          According to BBF polls and projects - at least 13 years ago. Is this the first one of these you have participated in?

                          When did the general consensus become Hamilton and Vlad were top 30-35 players (as you had them originally) and when did you start caring about the general consensus, period?

                          You are right about Crew and Clemente, though. Clemente is better...but nowhere close to 50 spots better.
                          Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 10-26-2019, 07:43 AM.
                          1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                          1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                          1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                          The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                          The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                            According to BBF polls and projects - at least 13 years ago. Is this the first one of these you have participated in?

                            When did the general consensus become Hamilton and Vlad were top 30-35 players (as you had them originally) and when did you start caring about the general consensus, period?

                            You are right about Crew and Clemente, though. Clemente is better...but nowhere close to 50 spots better.
                            How is Clemente better then Carew? Unless you REALLY care about defense from your right fielder.

                            And what's not to like about Hamilton? His short career is the only thing holding him back from the top 15-20. He was basically Rickey Henderson playing center field with .60 more points of batting average.
                            Last edited by willshad; 10-26-2019, 07:51 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by willshad View Post

                              How is Clemente better? Unless you REALLY care about defense from your right fielder.
                              Clemente was about 30 runs created fewer with his bat for his career and about 70 runs better due to positional differences. But Clemente was a demonstrably better fielder and baserunner. Yes - a historically great fielder in RF will have more value than a below-average defensive 2B who actually played moe of his career as an average 1B than anything.

                              Clemente > Carew is easily the general consensus of both BBF members and baseball historians over the decades since you care so much about that sort of thing now. The general consensus is that defense is kinda a big deal.
                              1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                              1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                              1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                              The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                              The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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