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  • The 2010s - Players of the Decade

    Now that the 2010s are over, who were the best players of the decade? Below are some suggestions.


    Overall – Mike Trout

    Pitcher – Clayton Kershaw
    Non-pitcher – Mike Trout

    Starting Pitchers
    1. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
    2. Max Scherzer, Tigers/ Nationals
    3. Justin Verlander, Tigers/Astros
    4. Zack Greinke, Royals/Brewers/Angels/Dodgers/Diamondbacks/Astros
    5. Chris Sale, White Sox/ Red Sox
    6. Cole Hamels, Phillies/Rangers/Cubs
    7. Jacob deGrom, Mets
    8. Stephen Strasburg, Nationals
    9. Corey Kluber, Indians
    10. Madison Bumgarner, Giants

    Relief Pitchers
    1. Craig Kimbrel, Braves/Padres/Red Sox
    2. Aroldis Chapman, Reds/Yankees/Cubs
    3. Kenley Jansen, Dodgers
    4. Darren O’Day, Rangers/Orioles/Braves
    5. David Robertson, Yankees/White Sox/Phillies

    Catchers
    1. Buster Posey, Giants
    2. Yadier Molina, Cardinals
    3. Russell Martin, Dodgers/Yankees/Pirates/Blue Jays
    4. J.T. Realmuto, Marlins/Phillies
    5. Carlos Ruiz, Phillies/Dodgers/Mariners

    First Basemen
    1. Joey Votto, Reds
    2. Paul Goldschmidt, Diamondbacks/Cardinals
    3. Miguel Cabrera, Tigers
    4. Freddie Freeman, Braves
    5. Anthony Rizzo, Padres/Cubs

    Second Basemen
    1. Robinson Cano, Yankees/Mariners/Mets
    2. Jose Altuve, Astros
    3. Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
    4. Ian Kinsler, Rangers/Tigers/Angels/Red Sox/Padres
    5. Ben Zobrist, Rays/A’s/Royals/Cubs

    Third Basemen
    1. Josh Donaldson, A’s/Blue Jays/Indians/Braves
    2. Adrian Beltre, Red Sox/Rangers
    3. Nolan Arenado, Rockies
    4. Manny Machado, Orioles/Dodgers/Padres
    5. Evan Longoria, Rays/Giants

    Shortstops
    1. Andrelton Simmons, Braves/Angels
    2. Francisco Lindor, Indians
    3. Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies/Blue Jays/Yankees
    4. Carlos Correa, Astros
    5. Corey Seager, Dodgers

    Left Fielders
    1. Christian Yelich, Marlins/Brewers
    2. Ryan Braun, Brewers
    3. Brett Gardner, Yankees
    4. Starling Marte, Pirates
    5. Yoenis Cespedes, A’s/Red Sox/Tigers/Mets

    Center Fielders
    1. Mike Trout, Angels
    2. Lorenzo Cain, Royals/Brewers
    3. Andrew McCutchen, Pirates/Giants/Yankees/Phillies
    4. Kevin Kiermaier, Rays
    5. A.J. Pollock, Diamondbacks/Dodgers

    Right Fielders
    1. Mookie Betts, Red Sox
    2. Giancarlo Stanton, Marlins/Yankees
    3. Bryce Harper, Nationals/Phillies
    4. Jose Bautista, Blue Jays/Mets/Braves/Phillies
    5. Jason Heyward, Braves/Cardinals/Cubs

    Designated Hitters
    1. David Ortiz, Red Sox
    2. Nelson Cruz, Rangers/Orioles/Mariners/Twins
    3. Edwin Encarnacion, Blue Jays/Indians/Mariners/Yankees
    4. Shohei Ohtani, Angels
    5. Yordan Alvarez, Astros

    Who's on your lists?
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

  • #2
    I would have been player of the decade if I hadn't blown out my knee.
    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
      I would have been player of the decade if I hadn't blown out my knee.
      You've certainly got my vote, amigo.
      "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
      "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
      "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
      "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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      • #4
        Wow, talk about slim pickings.

        Trout wins by default, even though he missed two years.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by willshad View Post
          Wow, talk about slim pickings.

          Trout wins by default, even though he missed two years.
          Chock full of future Hall of Famers like J.T. Realmuto and Jason Heyward!




          Good list Chadwick...I'll have to think about it more....but no Joe Mauer anywhere? I think you like him...yet he can't beat out Carlos Ruiz who had 400+ PA's only four times? I know that Mauer didn't have many catching games this era, but isn't that an argument against Joe being in the HOF? He can't beat out Carlos Ruiz or Yordan Alvarez who had a mighty 369 PA's in the decade?


          With the massive defensive fluctuations we're seeing in this era relative to prior eras (and between defensive systems too), I'd suggest being more conservative on the defense only guys like Gardner, Kiermaier, etc. If they are so far above all other defenders when we're told competition is better than ever in history, wouldn't the older great glove guys been even better? The numbers likely haven't caught up to the truth. If not, the numbers of great glove men are orders of magnitude better than in the olden days. Is it likely that Gardner, Cain, Heyward, Arenado, Machado, Kiermaier, Kinsler, Beltre, etc. are all amongst the greatest glove men of all time? I think it is more likely its a deficiency of judging different era players.

          Amongst the position players, I have only three current HOF or close to HOF players in that list (likely four depending on how/if catching stats are ever better determined). Wow! This time 10 years ago...there were more.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

            Chock full of future Hall of Famers like J.T. Realmuto and Jason Heyward!




            Good list Chadwick...I'll have to think about it more....but no Joe Mauer anywhere? I think you like him...yet he can't beat out Carlos Ruiz who had 400+ PA's only four times? I know that Mauer didn't have many catching games this era, but isn't that an argument against Joe being in the HOF? He can't beat out Carlos Ruiz or Yordan Alvarez who had a mighty 369 PA's in the decade?


            With the massive defensive fluctuations we're seeing in this era relative to prior eras (and between defensive systems too), I'd suggest being more conservative on the defense only guys like Gardner, Kiermaier, etc. If they are so far above all other defenders when we're told competition is better than ever in history, wouldn't the older great glove guys been even better? The numbers likely haven't caught up to the truth....
            I was looking for Brian McCann on the catchers list. I guess his best seasons were last decade, but at least he played all ten seasons of this one.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

              Chock full of future Hall of Famers like J.T. Realmuto and Jason Heyward!
              Who knows? Clearly we see through a glass darkly as we're too close to the present. Many of these players may look differently 20 or 30 years from now.

              I'll have to think about it more....but no Joe Mauer anywhere? I think you like him...yet he can't beat out Carlos Ruiz who had 400+ PA's only four times? I know that Mauer didn't have many catching games this era, but isn't that an argument against Joe being in the HOF? He can't beat out Carlos Ruiz or Yordan Alvarez who had a mighty 369 PA's in the decade?
              Alvarez is a DH, evidence of the lack of quality long-term DHs this decade. Mauer spent four years at catcher this decade, only three of which were really effective. I don't see that as a mark against his HOF case, but rather that Mauer's prime years were split between the 2000s and the 2010s. It's not infrequent for HOFers or HOF caliber players to have that happen and not show up in an "All Decade" team. We could pick any consecutive stretch of 10 seasons and make someone look better. This isn't meant as a good way to find HOFers - notice it's not in the HOF thread - but merely as a retrospective of the last 10 years.

              With the massive defensive fluctuations we're seeing in this era relative to prior eras (and between defensive systems too), I'd suggest being more conservative on the defense only guys like Gardner, Kiermaier, etc. If they are so far above all other defenders when we're told competition is better than ever in history, wouldn't the older great glove guys been even better? The numbers likely haven't caught up to the truth....
              I agree with the premise. When in doubt in close cases, I give due deference to offensive numbers over defensive ones. Guys like Willie Stargell, Jose Cruz, Jimmy Sheckard, Bobby Veach, Art Fletcher, etc. can get a serious boost or demerit in their case based on how much fluctuation there is in their defensive value. (To say nothing of how changes to defensive credit might affect the pitchers on those players' teams.)

              Looking at CF, however, Kiermaier has, by anyone's measure, been arguably the best defender in baseball at that position and what bat-first CF would you suggest deserves it more?

              If, however, you are suggesting "massive defensive fluctuations.....in this era" are a result of anything other than evolving ways to measure defense, then I'd have to disagree absent evidence. Forget what defensive metrics people use for a moment and consider the following biases many have in considering defense:

              1. The "eye test" is vastly more in play with defense than with offense (largely because we have such a richer history of established offense to counteract inaccurate observations).
              2. When people consider player defense (i.e. metrics), they rely almost entirely on career totals or career averages, with little-to-no conception of players improving and declining over time, as they do in every other talent or skill. This is, in part, a result of the favoritism career totals receive in general and, more so (IMO), because defensive metrics are not universally agreed upon and used long enough to an extent that peak/prime are often measured.

              If players age, defensively speaking, in different patterns now than they did in previous generations, I would be surprised. What's changing is our ability to observe, record and understand those patterns, not the existence of such. I am confident that, over time, that ability is improving. Defensive metrics aren't perfect, but they are light years better than when I was a kid and fielding percentage was the end-all, be-all.
              "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
              "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
              "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
              "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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              • #8
                If Ohtani (hmm) and....Yordan Alavarez (???) are really candidates at DH, which is ridiculous, then Aaron Judge should certainly be one in RF.
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #9
                  How can I get the WAR leaders for the decade?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                    If Ohtani (hmm) and....Yordan Alavarez (???) are really candidates at DH, which is ridiculous, then Aaron Judge should certainly be one in RF.
                    Feel free to make your own list.
                    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                    • #11
                      I reeally wanted to try to make a case for Felix, but then we have his crashing and burning to deal with.
                      “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by willshad View Post
                        How can I get the WAR leaders for the decade?
                        All position players with 35 WAR and 19.9 WAA, 2010-19:
                        Code:
                        Rk            Player WAR/ WAA/pos OPS+ Rfield   PA   Age
                        1         Mike Trout 72.5    54.9  176    8.0 5273 19-27
                        2      Robinson Cano 54.2    32.7  132   36.0 6228 27-36
                        3         Joey Votto 52.1    33.5  152   48.0 6150 26-35
                        4      Adrian Beltre 51.0    32.5  130   96.0 5253 31-39
                        5     Josh Donaldson 44.8    29.9  136   66.0 4476 24-33
                        6     Miguel Cabrera 43.5    23.4  153  -43.0 5795 27-36
                        7   Paul Goldschmidt 43.1    26.7  141   54.0 5390 23-31
                        8      Evan Longoria 42.4    21.9  119   62.0 5992 24-33
                        9       Buster Posey 42.2    26.0  128   54.0 5136 23-32
                        10      Mookie Betts 42.0    30.4  134  112.0 3629 21-26
                        11  Andrew McCutchen 41.2    22.1  135  -66.0 6280 23-32
                        12       Ian Kinsler 40.5    20.6  104  104.0 6036 28-37
                        13 Giancarlo Stanton 39.9    24.7  144   52.0 4897 20-29
                        14     Nolan Arenado 38.7    25.1  122  118.0 4357 22-28
                        15       Jose Altuve 38.5    20.6  127  -23.0 5458 21-29
                        16   Freddie Freeman 37.4    19.9  137   31.0 5703 20-29
                        17      Lorenzo Cain 36.9    22.5  104  134.0 4295 24-33
                        18     Manny Machado 36.9    21.3  119   76.0 4735 19-26
                        19 Andrelton Simmons 36.9    23.1   91  198.0 4153 22-29
                        20    Dustin Pedroia 35.9    20.6  114   71.0 4658 26-35
                        Starting pitchers with 30 WAR 2010-19:
                        Code:
                        Rk            Player  WAR WAA/ ERA+ OPS+   W  L     IP   Age
                        1    Clayton Kershaw 59.3 43.3  164   60 156 61 1996.0 22-31
                        2   Justin Verlander 56.2 36.5  136   71 160 86 2142.0 27-36
                        3       Max Scherzer 56.1 38.2  134   73 161 74 2063.2 25-34
                        4        Cole Hamels 46.2 29.9  124   85 115 87 1958.0 26-35
                        5         Chris Sale 45.4 30.0  140   69 109 73 1629.2 21-30
                        6       Zack Greinke 44.0 27.4  128   79 155 70 1984.0 26-35
                        7        David Price 38.6 21.2  125   81 140 73 1887.1 24-33
                        8       Corey Kluber 33.2 20.9  135   74  98 58 1341.2 25-33
                        9       Jacob deGrom 32.7 23.8  147   70  66 49 1101.2 26-31
                        10 Stephen Strasburg 32.6 21.0  130   72 112 58 1438.2 21-30
                        11   Felix Hernandez 32.3 15.5  114   88 111 95 1824.2 24-33
                        12      Gio Gonzalez 32.3 17.3  117   84 123 88 1768.2 24-33
                        13 Madison Bumgarner 32.2 17.5  120   86 119 92 1836.0 20-29
                        14      Johnny Cueto 32.1 19.9  131   83 106 62 1511.0 24-33
                        15        Jon Lester 31.2 13.9  118   89 148 92 1979.2 26-35
                        Relief pitchers with 12 WAR 2010-19:
                        Code:
                        Rk         Player  WAR WAA/ ERA+ OPS+  SV WPA/LI    IP   Age
                        1   Craig Kimbrel 19.6 11.6  195   41 346 11.703 553.1 22-31
                        2 Aroldis Chapman 17.5 10.2  185   41 273 11.577 535.2 22-31
                        3   Kenley Jansen 15.8  9.2  163   51 301 12.502 611.2 22-31
                        4 David Robertson 15.2  8.2  152   64 136 10.736 589.2 25-34
                        5     Darren ODay 14.1  8.7  173   65  19  7.358 458.1 27-36
                        6    Zack Britton 13.7  6.3  137   74 145  7.848 603.0 23-31
                        7  Tyler Clippard 13.6  7.0  134   70  68  7.650 718.1 25-34
                        8    Steve Cishek 12.5  7.2  151   71 132  7.374 556.0 24-33
                        9     Koji Uehara 12.4  7.5  175   49  95  9.585 414.0 35-42
                        10 Joaquin Benoit 12.1  6.9  153   62  45  8.811 477.1 32-39
                        Last edited by Freakshow; 10-28-2019, 08:53 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Yes, Mariners are on the list!
                          “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

                          "I don't care if the guy is yellow or black, or if he has stripes like a ******* zebra. I'm the manager of this team and I say he [Robinson] plays." - Leo Durocher

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                          • #14
                            Who's Dustin Pedroia?
                            “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

                            "I don't care if the guy is yellow or black, or if he has stripes like a ******* zebra. I'm the manager of this team and I say he [Robinson] plays." - Leo Durocher

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                            • #15
                              If nothing else, it's pretty obvious who the number one position player and pitcher are for the decade. We have a couple of all timers and after that it kind of goes downhill fast.

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