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  • #16
    Position players with 8+ WAR in a season, 2010-19:
    Code:
    Rk           Player WAR/ WAA/ OPS+ Rfield  PA Year Age  Tm
    1      Mookie Betts 10.9  8.9  188   20.0 614 2018  25 BOS
    2        Mike Trout 10.5  8.1  172    6.0 681 2016  24 LAA
    3        Mike Trout 10.5  8.4  168   19.0 639 2012  20 LAA
    4        Mike Trout 10.2  8.1  196    8.0 608 2018  26 LAA
    5      Bryce Harper 10.0  8.0  198    9.0 654 2015  22 WSN
    6      Mookie Betts  9.7  7.4  133   32.0 730 2016  23 BOS
    7        Mike Trout  9.4  7.0  176    5.0 682 2015  23 LAA
    8    Cody Bellinger  9.0  7.0  169   26.0 661 2019  23 LAD
    9        Mike Trout  9.0  6.8  179  -11.0 716 2013  21 LAA
    10    Josh Hamilton  8.7  6.7  170   11.0 571 2010  29 TEX
    11 Paul Goldschmidt  8.7  6.6  168   18.0 695 2015  27 ARI
    12   Josh Donaldson  8.5  6.2  151   11.0 711 2015  29 TOR
    13     Alex Bregman  8.4  6.1  162    5.0 690 2019  25 HOU
    14    Robinson Cano  8.4  5.9  148   15.0 697 2012  29 NYY
    15       Mike Trout  8.3  6.3  185   -1.0 600 2019  27 LAA
    16  Jacoby Ellsbury  8.3  6.0  146    9.0 732 2011  27 BOS
    17    Jose Bautista  8.3  6.0  182    0.0 655 2011  30 TOR
    18     Matt Chapman  8.2  6.1  138   29.0 616 2018  25 OAK
    19    Evan Longoria  8.2  5.8  143   20.0 661 2010  24 TBR
    20    Marcus Semien  8.1  5.8  138    5.0 747 2019  28 OAK
    21      Jose Altuve  8.1  5.8  160    3.0 662 2017  27 HOU
    22      Aaron Judge  8.1  5.8  171    9.0 678 2017  25 NYY
    23    Robinson Cano  8.1  5.7  141   16.0 696 2010  27 NYY
    24        Matt Kemp  8.0  5.9  172   -7.0 689 2011  26 LAD
    25   Dustin Pedroia  8.0  5.6  131   18.0 731 2011  27 BOS
    Pitchers with 7.5+ WAR/pitch in a season, 2010-19:
    Code:
    Rk          Player  WAR WAA/ ERA+ OPS+  W  L    IP Year Age  Tm
    1       Aaron Nola 10.5  8.8  177   56 17  6 212.1 2018  25 PHI
    2     Jacob deGrom  9.6  7.9  216   51 10  9 217.0 2018  30 NYM
    3     Zack Greinke  9.1  7.3  222   45 19  3 222.2 2015  31 LAD
    4     Roy Halladay  8.8  6.9  163   62 19  6 233.2 2011  34 PHI
    5     Max Scherzer  8.7  7.0  166   56 18  7 220.2 2018  33 WSN
    6 Justin Verlander  8.6  6.2  172   50 24  5 251.0 2011  28 DET
    7     Roy Halladay  8.6  6.6  167   75 21 10 250.2 2010  33 PHI
    8        Cliff Lee  8.5  6.7  160   69 17  8 232.2 2011  32 PHI
    9    Kyle Freeland  8.4  6.8  164   73 17  7 202.1 2018  25 COL
    10    Jake Arrieta  8.3  6.5  215   44 22  6 229.0 2015  29 CHC
    11    Corey Kluber  8.3  6.2  160   74 18  9 235.2 2014  28 CLE
    12     Corey Kluber 8.1  6.3  202   44 18  4 203.2 2017  31 CLE
    13 Justin Verlander 8.1  5.9  161   61 17  8 238.1 2012  29 DET
    14  Clayton Kershaw 8.0  6.1  194   51 16  9 236.0 2013  25 LAD
    15       Mike Minor 7.8  5.9  144   77 14 10 208.1 2019  31 TEX
    16 Justin Verlander 7.8  5.8  179   48 21  6 223.0 2019  36 HOU
    17  Clayton Kershaw 7.7  6.1  197   52 21  3 198.1 2014  26 LAD
    18       Lance Lynn 7.6  5.7  141   74 16 11 208.1 2019  32 TEX
    19   Ubaldo Jimenez 7.5  5.8  161   60 19  8 221.2 2010  26 COL
    Relief pitchers with 3.5+ WAR/pitch in a season, 2010-19:
    Code:
    Rk          Player WAR WAA/ ERA+ OPS+ SV WPA/LI   IP Year Age  Tm  ERA
    1    Blake Treinen 4.2  2.4  525  18  38  2.734 80.1 2018  30 OAK 0.78
    2     Zack Britton 4.2  2.8  803  17  47  2.562 67.0 2016  28 BAL 0.54
    3  Dellin Betances 4.0  2.5  271  42   9  2.232 84.0 2015  27 NYY 1.50
    4    Andrew Miller 3.8  2.5  304  27  12  2.707 74.1 2016  31 TOT 1.45
    5     Corey Knebel 3.7  2.2  248  54  39  1.421 76.0 2017  25 MIL 1.78
    6       Wade Davis 3.7  2.6  396  17   3  2.722 72.0 2014  28 KCR 1.00
    7  Fernando Rodney 3.7  2.4  641  18  48  2.675 74.2 2012  35 TBR 0.60
    8  David Robertson 3.7  2.4  399  38   1  1.762 66.2 2011  26 NYY 1.08
    9     Joakim Soria 3.7  2.3  236  55  43  0.728 65.2 2010  26 KCR 1.78
    10   Craig Kimbrel 3.6  2.3  319  16  35  2.791 69.0 2017  29 BOS 1.43
    11 Dellin Betances 3.6  2.5  274  26   1  2.728 90.0 2014  26 NYY 1.40
    12     Koji Uehara 3.6  2.4  379   8  21  2.848 74.1 2013  38 BOS 1.09
    13   Liam Hendriks 3.5  2.0  240  52  25  2.222 85.0 2019  30 OAK 1.80
    14  Archie Bradley 3.5  2.4  273  48   1  2.185 73.0 2017  24 ARI 1.73
    15      Wade Davis 3.5  2.3  448  23  17  2.226 67.1 2015  29 KCR 0.94
    Last edited by Freakshow; 10-29-2019, 09:55 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
      Who knows? Clearly we see through a glass darkly as we're too close to the present. Many of these players may look differently 20 or 30 years from now.


      Alvarez is a DH, evidence of the lack of quality long-term DHs this decade. Mauer spent four years at catcher this decade, only three of which were really effective. I don't see that as a mark against his HOF case, but rather that Mauer's prime years were split between the 2000s and the 2010s. It's not infrequent for HOFers or HOF caliber players to have that happen and not show up in an "All Decade" team. We could pick any consecutive stretch of 10 seasons and make someone look better. This isn't meant as a good way to find HOFers - notice it's not in the HOF thread - but merely as a retrospective of the last 10 years.


      I agree with the premise. When in doubt in close cases, I give due deference to offensive numbers over defensive ones. Guys like Willie Stargell, Jose Cruz, Jimmy Sheckard, Bobby Veach, Art Fletcher, etc. can get a serious boost or demerit in their case based on how much fluctuation there is in their defensive value. (To say nothing of how changes to defensive credit might affect the pitchers on those players' teams.)

      Looking at CF, however, Kiermaier has, by anyone's measure, been arguably the best defender in baseball at that position and what bat-first CF would you suggest deserves it more?

      If, however, you are suggesting "massive defensive fluctuations.....in this era" are a result of anything other than evolving ways to measure defense, then I'd have to disagree absent evidence. Forget what defensive metrics people use for a moment and consider the following biases many have in considering defense:

      1. The "eye test" is vastly more in play with defense than with offense (largely because we have such a richer history of established offense to counteract inaccurate observations).
      2. When people consider player defense (i.e. metrics), they rely almost entirely on career totals or career averages, with little-to-no conception of players improving and declining over time, as they do in every other talent or skill. This is, in part, a result of the favoritism career totals receive in general and, more so (IMO), because defensive metrics are not universally agreed upon and used long enough to an extent that peak/prime are often measured.

      If players age, defensively speaking, in different patterns now than they did in previous generations, I would be surprised. What's changing is our ability to observe, record and understand those patterns, not the existence of such. I am confident that, over time, that ability is improving. Defensive metrics aren't perfect, but they are light years better than when I was a kid and fielding percentage was the end-all, be-all.
      There's a definitely lack of good CFers at that position. I've been racking my brain...Charlie Blackmon is a fraud and is stealing money. Not many long term solid centerfielders. I think McCutchen is better than Cain though.

      As a side note, when I was a kid, I don't remember fielding percentage ever being brought up except for 2B, SS, and 3B, since those guys have been know to make a ton of errors.
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      • #18
        Lindor >>> Seager
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

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        • #19
          Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
          Lindor >>> Seager
          Absolutely. Did you notice, by the way, that Lindor was well ahead of Seager in the shortstop ranking?
          "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
          "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
          "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
          "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
            Absolutely. Did you notice, by the way, that Lindor was well ahead of Seager in the shortstop ranking?
            Whoops, I missed that. My bad.
            My top 10 players:

            1. Babe Ruth
            2. Barry Bonds
            3. Ty Cobb
            4. Ted Williams
            5. Willie Mays
            6. Alex Rodriguez
            7. Hank Aaron
            8. Honus Wagner
            9. Lou Gehrig
            10. Mickey Mantle

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            • #21
              My team of choice:

              Starting Lineup
              1. R Jose Altuve - 4
              2. R Mookie Betts - 7
              3. L Joey Votto - 3
              4. R Mike Trout - 8
              5. R Miguel Cabrera - 5
              6. S Frankie Lindor - 6
              7. L Bryce Harper - 9
              8. R Yadier Molina - 2
              9. L/L Clayton Kershaw - 1

              Bench
              R Buster Posey - C/1B
              L David Ortiz - DH/1B
              R Adrian Beltre - CIF
              R Mike Stanton - COF
              L Christian Yelich - OF
              S Ben Zobrist - UT

              Pitchers
              R Justin Verlander
              R Max Scherzer
              L Madison Bumgarner
              R Adam Wainwright
              R Stephen Strasburg
              R Corey Kluber
              L Chris Sale
              L Andrew Miller
              R Craig Kimbrel
              L Aroldis Chapman
              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                My team of choice:

                Starting Lineup
                1. R Jose Altuve - 4
                2. R Mookie Betts - 7
                3. L Joey Votto - 3
                4. R Mike Trout - 8
                5. R Miguel Cabrera - 5
                6. S Frankie Lindor - 6
                7. L Bryce Harper - 9
                8. R Yadier Molina - 2
                9. L/L Clayton Kershaw - 1

                Bench
                R Buster Posey - C/1B
                L David Ortiz - DH/1B
                R Adrian Beltre - CIF
                R Mike Stanton - COF
                L Christian Yelich - OF
                S Ben Zobrist - UT

                Pitchers
                R Justin Verlander
                R Max Scherzer
                L Madison Bumgarner
                R Adam Wainwright
                R Stephen Strasburg
                R Corey Kluber
                L Chris Sale
                L Andrew Miller
                R Craig Kimbrel
                L Aroldis Chapman
                Good list, but Cabrera is a difficult one for me. He should be at 1B--he only played 3B for four full seasons--but then you have to leave off Votto. You could put him at DH, if you have that as a starting position. Then Beltre at 3B.

                Again, Stanton is Giancarlo.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                  I would have been player of the decade if I hadn't blown out my knee.
                  Or was it your brain?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BigRon View Post

                    Or was it your brain?
                    I burned that out.
                    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                      I burned that out.
                      Oh yeah- I forgot.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BigRon View Post

                        Oh yeah- I forgot.
                        We should order a pizza.
                        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                        • #27
                          Mike Oz's choice:

                          C - Posey
                          1B - Cabrera
                          2B - Cano
                          SS - Simmons
                          3B - Beltre
                          OF - Trout, Betts, McCutchen
                          DH - Cruz
                          SP - Scherzer, Verlander, Kershaw
                          RP - Kimbrel, Chapman

                          https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-all-dec...182117983.html

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                          • #28
                            Great list!

                            I'll strongly second Brian McCann over Carlos Ruiz, and probably over Realmuto too.

                            That's my only major quibble...the choice of Ruiz, even merely in the #5 slot, really is a head scratcher for me. He really only had a couple of seasons that were even much above average.

                            McCann did do his best work in the decade previous, but he was still pretty solid throughout most of this one. An elite pitch framer too, if you're into that kind of thing. (And I think you are.)

                            -------------

                            One other modest proposal: I really want to get Kris Bryant in there, but third base is stacked. Maybe squeeze him into left field?

                            Yoenis Cespedes has had some nice moments, but he's only played 100 games (or even 82) in five seasons of his career so far, two of them split between multiple teams. He's definitely a hard guy for a Mets fan to love, that's for sure.

                            Meanwhile, Bryant won a MVP, a ROY, and was probably the best player on a Cubs team that won the freakin' World Series.

                            I'll repeat that: THE CUBS! WON! THE WORLD SERIES! THE CUBS!!!

                            We've all had a few years to acclimate to that, but we shouldn't forget what a big deal it was/is.
                            Last edited by Cougar; 12-25-2019, 08:14 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 1905 Giants View Post
                              I reeally wanted to try to make a case for Felix, but then we have his crashing and burning to deal with.
                              If we went to fifteen with starting pitchers, King Felix would be there for sure.

                              Other thoughts on pitchers:

                              David Price had a pretty solid decade too, definitely in the second ten.

                              Did Sabathia do enough this decade to rate? Probably not...things got pretty rocky for him this decade after the first few seasons. But if his whole career enters in at all...

                              Jake Arrieta only had about a three year peak mid-decade, but it was an awfully good one.

                              Mariano Rivera only pitched through 2013, but I'd still put him in the decade's top 5 relievers, I think.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cougar View Post

                                Meanwhile, Bryant won a MVP, a ROY, and was probably the best player on a Cubs team that won the freakin' World Series.

                                I'll repeat that: THE CUBS! WON! THE WORLD SERIES! THE CUBS!!!

                                We've all had a few years to acclimate to that, but we shouldn't forget what a big deal it was/is.
                                He won a WS in 2016. He was a rookie the year before. IOW, he played only half the decade. It's pretty hard to be one of the best players of a decade when you only play half of it. Betts might be a fair choice, but that's because he's a genuine 5-tool player who had one season for the ages.

                                In fact, identifying the best players of the decade is difficult, not only because so many of the very best players haven't played the full decade, but you also need to have some of your best years line up with the calendar. E.g., Papi was clearly the best DH for a long time, but he retired in 2016, so also missed about half of that decade.

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