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  • Top 10 Fielding Pitchers Since the Gold Glove was been awarded (1957 to Present)

    Pick your top ten fielding pitchers in the Gold Glove Era. or should I say pick #s 3 through 10.
    I'll give you a hint: Greg Maddux (18 Gold Gloves; 13 consecutively) and Jim 'Kitty" Kaat (16 Gold Gloves; 12 Consecutively) are probably going to be your top two. Whether you go with
    #1. Maddux. #2 Kaat. t or you prefer #1 Kaat. #2. Maddux those two pitchers will probably wind up #1 & #2 one way or the other. (Personally I'd opt for Jim Kaat being my first choice, with Maddux being a close runner-up.)

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    Are you including pickoffs/holding baserunners in this discussion? Some would, some wouldn't.
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    • #3
      Tom Glavine would have had 10+ Gold Gloves if Maddux weren't around. Should have won several that Maddux won too.

      Greinke, Buehrle, and Gibson were all tremendous fielders too. Mussina comes to mind. Wainwright was fantastic too.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
        Tom Glavine would have had 10+ Gold Gloves if Maddux weren't around. Should have won several that Maddux won too.

        Greinke, Buehrle, and Gibson were all tremendous fielders too. Mussina comes to mind. Wainwright was fantastic too.
        Buehrle is the best ALer I've ever seen. I didn't the number of Maddux games as I did Buehrle but I think they're pretty close.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

          Buehrle is the best ALer I've ever seen. I didn't the number of Maddux games as I did Buehrle but I think they're pretty close.
          Pitcher defense is one area in which the eye test might be just as good as data. One would need to separate range from self-creation of soft-contact/easy trajectory of batted balls.

          Not surprisingly, most of the guys we are mentioning were BABIP suppressors. Chicken vs. egg here. In the struggle to find HOW pitchers suppress BABIP, people often forget that a large chunk of it may just be good defense.

          When you look at Glavine's LD rates and GB rates, etc., his profile is NOT one that we would expect to have saved 80 runs or so via BABIP (even after mates defense is considered). I would venture to say that his own defense was responsible for a large chunk of it.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

            Pitcher defense is one area in which the eye test might be just as good as data. One would need to separate range from self-creation of soft-contact/easy trajectory of batted balls.

            Not surprisingly, most of the guys we are mentioning were BABIP suppressors. Chicken vs. egg here. In the struggle to find HOW pitchers suppress BABIP, people often forget that a large chunk of it may just be good defense.

            When you look at Glavine's LD rates and GB rates, etc., his profile is NOT one that we would expect to have saved 80 runs or so via BABIP (even after mates defense is considered). I would venture to say that his own defense was responsible for a large chunk of it.
            Sample size is also tough for pitchers in the short term. Heck, for relievers they might only get two or three real plays a year, especially if they are some of these strikeout reliant ones who throw 40-50 innings a year. Carlos Rodon of the White Sox threw 35 innings and had one defensive play. Maybe he should have had more, but if he blew one chance, then it's a 50/50 split.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

              Sample size is also tough for pitchers in the short term. Heck, for relievers they might only get two or three real plays a year, especially if they are some of these strikeout reliant ones who throw 40-50 innings a year. Carlos Rodon of the White Sox threw 35 innings and had one defensive play. Maybe he should have had more, but if he blew one chance, then it's a 50/50 split.
              Right - you need a lot of seasons.

              A long-term pitcher might get 800-1000 chances in his career. That might be a year-and-a-half for a second baseman or two years for an OFer. You can get decent idea if defense from one full season, but hardly a rock-solid one.
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              • #8
                According to a few sources, it looks like Buehrle's defensive value may have been between 75-100 runs in his career. Not even counting controlling the running game, etc. We are talking maybe 35% of his total run prevention. It is pretty remarkable and an often ignored aspect of pitchers.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                  According to the source, it looks like Buehrle's defensive value may have been between 75-100 runs in his career. Not even counting controlling the running game, etc. We are talking maybe 35% of his total run prevention. It is pretty remarkable and an often ignored aspect of pitchers.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                    Tom Glavine would have had 10+ Gold Gloves if Maddux weren't around. Should have won several that Maddux won too.

                    Greinke, Buehrle, and Gibson were all tremendous fielders too. Mussina comes to mind. Wainwright was fantastic too.
                    Bob Gibson?

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                    • #11
                      Just to toss a few names out not mentioned yet:

                      Bobby Shantz
                      Harvey Haddix
                      Phil Niekro
                      Ron Guidry
                      Jim Palmer
                      Mark Langston
                      Kenny Rogers

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                        Bob Gibson?
                        Yeah, that Bob Gibson. He was an incredible all around athlete. Won nine Gold Gloves

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                          Bob Gibson?
                          Did you not know?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cougar View Post

                            Yeah, that Bob Gibson. He was an incredible all around athlete. Won nine Gold Gloves
                            I knew of his all-around athletic prowess but I didn't know or forgot he won 9 gold gloves. He nearly fell over at the end of his delivery. Didn't come to a ready defensive position at all.
                            "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                              I knew of his all-around athletic prowess but I didn't know or forgot he won 9 gold gloves. He nearly fell over at the end of his delivery. Didn't come to a ready defensive position at all.
                              He recovered quickly.
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