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  • 2019 BBF Top 100 Position Players of All Time #56-60

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Barry Bonds
    5. Honus Wagner
    6. Ted Williams
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Stan Musial
    9. Rogers Hornsby
    10. Tris Speaker
    11. Lou Gehrig
    12. Mickey Mantle
    13. Alex Rodriguez
    14. Joe DiMaggio
    15. Mike Schmidt
    16. Albert Pujols
    17. Eddie Collins
    18. Frank Robinson
    19. Rickey Henderson
    20. Oscar Charleston
    21. Jimmie Foxx
    22. Mel Ott
    23. Nap Lajoie
    24. Eddie Mathews
    25. Johnny Bench
    26. Joe Morgan
    27. Josh Gibson
    28. Ken Griffey Jr.
    29. Mike Piazza
    30. Jackie Robinson
    31. George Brett
    32. Roberto Clemente
    33. Cal Ripken Jr.
    34. Cap Anson
    35. Mike Trout
    36. Carl Yastrzemski
    37. Al Kaline
    38. Dan Brouthers
    39. Yogi Berra
    40. Charlie Gehringer
    41. Jeff Bagwell
    42. Chipper Jones
    43. Johnny Mize
    44. Pop Lloyd
    45. Arky Vaughan
    46. Wade Boggs
    47. Ed Delahanty
    48. Gary Carter
    49. Reggie Jackson
    50. Adrian Beltre
    51. Roger Connor - 34
    52. Rod Carew - 26
    53. Luke Appling - 18
    54. Pete Rose - 16
    55. Hank Greenberg - 15


    Others:

    G. Davis - 10
    Thome -10
    J Jackson - 10
    Hamilton - 9
    Heilman - 9
    Fisk - 8
    Walker - 8
    Crawford -7
    A. Simmons - 5
    Dickey - 5
    Frisch - 5
    Sosa - 4
    Vlad - 4
    Thomas - 4
    Manny - 4
    B. Robinson-3
    Wells-3
    Snider-3
    Sheff - 3

    Some 1s and 2s
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    George Davis
    Carlton Fisk
    Pee Wee Reese
    Bill Dickey
    Robin Yount
    1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

    1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

    1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


    The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
    The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

  • #2
    1. Larry Walker
    2. Carlton Fisk
    3. Pee Wee Reese-credit for military service
    4. Duke Snider
    5. Bill Dickey

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    • #3
      G. Davis
      Dahlen
      Frisch
      Waner
      Clarke

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      • #4
        1. Carlton Fisk
        2. Willie Wells
        3. Pee Wee Reese
        4. Bill Dickey
        5. Frankie Frisch
        Last edited by Jar of Flies; Today, 01:40 PM. Reason: Discussion with Layson
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        • #5
          Frankie Frisch- much better baserunner than BBRef shows
          Robin Yount
          Fred Clarke- gains 10 wins using Sean Smith's baserunning runs and a 50/50 Total Zone/DRA split. Grantland Rice named Clarke to his "all-time" NL outfield in 1944
          Paul Waner- much better fielder than BBRef and their regressed fielding metrics show
          Duke Snider

          Last edited by layson27; Today, 06:46 PM.

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          • #6
            1. Joe Jackson
            2. Ernie Banks
            3. Sam Crawford
            4. Duke Snider
            5. George Davis

            Al Simmons, Frank Thomas and Dickey are next

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            • #7
              1. Pudge Rodriguez
              2. Miguel Cabrera
              3. Ernie Banks
              4. Derek Jeter
              5. Roy Campanella
              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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              • #8
                Billy Hamilton
                Vlad Guerrero
                Joe cronin
                Derek Jeter
                Frank Thomas

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                • #9
                  Billy Hamilton
                  Harry Heilmann
                  Duke Snider
                  Frankie Frisch
                  Willie McCovey
                  “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

                  "I don't care if the guy is yellow or black, or if he has stripes like a ******* zebra. I'm the manager of this team and I say he [Robinson] plays." - Leo Durocher

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                  • #10
                    1) Al Simmons
                    2) Heilmann
                    3) McCovey
                    4) Snider
                    5) Dickey

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                    • #11
                      Larry Walker
                      Bill Dickey
                      Al Simmons
                      Robinson Cano
                      Frank Thomas
                      Last edited by GiambiJuice; 11-10-2019, 09:40 AM.
                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • #12
                        Manny
                        Sheffield
                        Frisch
                        Campenella
                        McGwire
                        This week's Giant

                        #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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                        • #13
                          I'm torn on Walker, one of my favorite players. He has about 72 WAR and a 141 OPS+ but his road relative OPS+ was about 133, but his Expos and Cardinals OPS+s are in line with his overall OPS+ taken at face value. His career road stats also would correspond to about a .505 slugging and .380 on base (.885 OPS) an he was an all time great right fielder in the field and a great baserunner. His rbaserunning is +40, gidp +10 and fielding +94. His extra base advance rate was 52% which is also near elite. He also has 48.3 WAA which is probably second among remaining players to George Davis. 25 WAA is around a hall of fame borderline, 40 is getting up there. Anyone know where he ranks in career WAA. Hard to tell what he would have done in a clean league in WAR, but I'd love to have a leadoff hitter with a .380 on base percentage (his road predicted rate) for 2000 games and fielding in right and running the bases at an elite level.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by brett View Post
                            I'm torn on Walker, one of my favorite players. He has about 72 WAR and a 141 OPS+ but his road relative OPS+ was about 133, but his Expos and Cardinals OPS+s are in line with his overall OPS+ taken at face value. His career road stats also would correspond to about a .505 slugging and .380 on base (.885 OPS) an he was an all time great right fielder in the field and a great baserunner. His rbaserunning is +40, gidp +10 and fielding +94. His extra base advance rate was 52% which is also near elite. He also has 48.3 WAA which is probably second among remaining players to George Davis. 25 WAA is around a hall of fame borderline, 40 is getting up there. Anyone know where he ranks in career WAA. Hard to tell what he would have done in a clean league in WAR, but I'd love to have a leadoff hitter with a .380 on base percentage (his road predicted rate) for 2000 games and fielding in right and running the bases at an elite level.
                            I mentioned in a different thread a while back that Joe Posnanski had noted that only three players in MLB history rank in the top-100 in career batting runs, fielding runs, and baserunning runs above average per B-Ref. The first two are Willie Mays and Barry Bonds, and the third player is Larry Walker.

                            To answer your question, despite his relatively short career Walker is ranked 39th in WAA among all position players since 1871.

                            He has been #1 on my list for the past couple of rounds.
                            Last edited by GiambiJuice; 11-10-2019, 07:17 PM.
                            My top 10 players:

                            1. Babe Ruth
                            2. Barry Bonds
                            3. Ty Cobb
                            4. Ted Williams
                            5. Willie Mays
                            6. Alex Rodriguez
                            7. Hank Aaron
                            8. Honus Wagner
                            9. Lou Gehrig
                            10. Mickey Mantle

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                            • #15
                              Jon Heyman once said Walker and Edmonds are basically equals, and I (and the advanced stats) kinda agree. Walker is ahead at BBRef, but Edmonds is on top at BBG & BBPro.

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