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  • #16
    Originally posted by west coast orange and black
    ubiquitous, you have sweet lou as the cleanup hitter (1927 .373/.474/.765 MVP).

    who would be your backup guy in the #4 spot?
    maybe bonds (2002 .370/.582/.799 MVP)?
    I guess in this lineup it doesn't really matter if a player gets walked a lot because the guy behind him is a crusher as well, but if I had to worry about driving in runs and needed a sure thing I might be tempted to take Lou again from 1930. In reality Bonds would probably be a good bet for #4, the walks would vanish and he would get pitched too. Sure his batting average would probably take a slight hit, and his OBP a bigger hit but his SLG might actually improve and his RBI creation would probably go through the roof.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
      Yeah, he was banged up quite a bit during that '20 season. Makes it all the more impressive if you ask me. He should have hit over 60 that year if he'd stayed healthy and played more than 142 games.

      Not sure how you can have a lineup and not include at least one of his seasons. Espn classic just did their "Who's number 1" show of the top single season performances of all time. Guess who was number 1
      what Ruth season was #1? do you remember if any other baseball seasons on there?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by blackout805
        what Ruth season was #1? do you remember if any other baseball seasons on there?
        Watched it last night. Ruth's '21 was number 1.

        Williams '41 was on there and Gibson's 1.12 season was on there.

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        • #19
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
            Espn classic just did their "Who's number 1" show of the top single season performances of all time. Guess who was number 1
            I'm sorry I missed that. When is it on again, Sultan?
            Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by torez77
              You pretty much explained what my first sentence meant. Hamilton looks much better looking at the raw stats, but if you era-adjust them, Henderson looks better. I just like Hamilton alot so that's why his 1894 would be my personal preference.
              Yup. Real scientific reasoning there. Rickey was better and you know it. His era adjusted numbers are better and he played in a much stronger leauge. You can have Hamilton, and I'll take Rickey, and guess who'll be better off?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by 538280
                Yup. Real scientific reasoning there. Rickey was better and you know it. His era adjusted numbers are better and he played in a much stronger leauge. You can have Hamilton, and I'll take Rickey, and guess who'll be better off?
                Didn't I just admit Rickey's season was better cuz of the era adjusted stats?

                Leave me alone and let me salivate over Hamilton's stats and pretend they're better than Rickey's!
                Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.

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                • #23
                  I switched out Jason Kendall, 1996 at the #8 spot for Johnny Bassler, 1924. If Jason Heyward continues to hit like he is doing and Fredi keeps him at the #6 spot then he'll replace Vinny at the #6 spot this year.

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                  • #24
                    I switched out Vinny Castilla, 1996 for George Selkirk, 1939 at the #6 spot.

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                    • #25
                      Actually I found someone better. Riggs Stephenson, 1929.

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                      • #26
                        With BRef addint a search function for splits I am now able to go through almost 100 years worth of stats to find the very best hitter for each lineup spot. This list is based on playing time at the actual lineup spot, performance in that spot, and performance in that spot compared to other hitters in that spot.

                        #1 Rickey Henderson, 1990 .349/.438/.552 MVP
                        #2 Lefty O'Doul, 1929 .398/.465/.622 2nd in MVP votes
                        #3 Babe Ruth, 1921 .378/.512/.846
                        #4 Barry Bonds, 2004 .362/.509/.812 MVP
                        #5 Jimmie Foxx, 1932 .364/.469/.749 MVP
                        #6 Roy Cullenbine, 1946 .335/.477/.537 Not a single MVP vote nor an AS selection. The very next year would be his last year in the majors
                        #7 Gabby Hartnett, 1930 .339/.404/.630
                        #8 Adolfo Phillips, 1967 .268/.384/.458
                        #9 Don Newcombe, 1955 .359/.395/.632


                        So as you can see from the old list many new changes:
                        For me:
                        #1 Rickey Henderson, 1990 .349/.438/.552 MVP
                        #2 Alex Rodriguez, 1996 .358/.414/.631
                        #3 Barry Bonds, 2001 .328/.515/.863 MVP
                        #4 Lou Gehrig, 1927 .373/.474/.765 MVP
                        #5 Barry Bonds, 1993 .336/.458/.677 MVP
                        #6 Riggs Stephenson, 1929 .362/.445/.562
                        #7 Manny Ramirez, 1995 .308/.402/.558
                        #8 Johnny Bassler, 1924 .346/.441/.422
                        #9 Walter Johnson, 1925 .433/.455/.577

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Ubiquitous View Post
                          With BRef addint a search function for splits I am now able to go through almost 100 years worth of stats to find the very best hitter for each lineup spot. This list is based on playing time at the actual lineup spot, performance in that spot, and performance in that spot compared to other hitters in that spot.

                          #1 Rickey Henderson, 1990 .349/.438/.552 MVP
                          #2 Lefty O'Doul, 1929 .398/.465/.622 2nd in MVP votes
                          #3 Babe Ruth, 1921 .378/.512/.846
                          #4 Barry Bonds, 2004 .362/.509/.812 MVP
                          #5 Jimmie Foxx, 1932 .364/.469/.749 MVP
                          #6 Roy Cullenbine, 1946 .335/.477/.537 Not a single MVP vote nor an AS selection. The very next year would be his last year in the majors
                          #7 Gabby Hartnett, 1930 .339/.404/.630
                          #8 Adolfo Phillips, 1967 .268/.384/.458
                          #9 Don Newcombe, 1955 .359/.395/.632


                          So as you can see from the old list many new changes:
                          How many runs would such a lineup score in a 162 game schedule?


                          POST #17,000!!!
                          Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 04-18-2013, 12:20 PM.
                          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                          • #28
                            Considering they have no one to play the infield besides at first base I'd say not a lot as the lineup would get gutted by injuries as the various players pulled hamstrings, muscles, and broke bones.

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                            • #29
                              I don't think the question is about how that group would fare as an actual team, playing on both sides of the ball. Just as a batting lineup.

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                              • #30
                                Ignoring era and using their seasonal numbers and not what they did at a specific spot in the lineup I get 1460 runs per 162 games played. The optimal lineup would score 1493 runs and the least optimal lineup would score 1402 runs.

                                The best lineup would be 6, 3, 2, 4 ,5, 7, 1, 9, 8 and the worst lineup would be 9, 8, 2, 7, 1, 4, 5, 6, 3

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