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  • BBF Ranking Game – Election #12 – Voting

    Welcome to the BBF Ranking Game. We are creating an all-time ranking of players based on the wisdom of the crowd.

    This is the Voting thread for Election #12, where we will determine the 60th-65th best players of all-time. In the Nomination thread, we determined these as the twelve candidates for this election:

    Steve Carlton
    Gary Carter
    Ed Delahanty
    Martin Dihigo
    Bob Feller
    Chipper Jones
    Clayton Kershaw
    Mike Piazza
    Curt Schilling
    Frank Thomas
    Arky Vaughan
    Smokey Joe Williams

    All you need to do is make a post here ranking these players from 1 to 12, from best to worst. This thread is also for discussion of these players, but please do this in a separate post from your ballot.

    The voting will remain open until three voters agree to end it (Nominate Closing – 2nd – 3rd). Then someone will tally the results, which I can handle for the present time.

    Please post any questions concerning this project in the Proposal thread. You will also find complete rules for this project. Thanks for playing!

    Criteria for election:
    • We’ll consider anyone who could be eligible as a player for the NBHOFM. So all professional players in the United States since 1869. Value in other play such as NABBP, foreign leagues, barnstorming, etc., should be considered, as long as a significant portion of a player’s career value was accrued in professional play in North America.
    • We do want to consider circumstances that prevented players from participating at the game’s highest level at times when they could have been contributors. Due credit should be given for time missed due to short schedules, military service, racial barriers, being trapped in the minors, being blackballed or banned. But no extra credit for injuries, accidents or premature death.
    • Voters are expected to make their best effort to rank Negro leaguers and other players for whom the statistical record is incomplete or sketchy.
    • It’s left to the individual voter how much consideration to give to peak vs career, league quality affects, positional balance, time-lining, postseason credit, leverage, etc.
    • We’re here to rank the players, from the greatest on down. “The definition of a great player is one who helps his team win a lot of games.” -Bill James
    • So this ain’t the hall of fame; there’s no “character clause”. We’re assessing playing performance, nothing else. This task is difficult enough; we don’t need to consider how much weight to give non-playing factors, such as speculations about leadership, or sanctions for cheating, or hit pieces from disaffected writers, etc.
    Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

    Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

  • #2
    1. Ed Delahanty
    2. Martin Dihigo
    3. Frank Thomas
    4. Steve Carlton
    5. Chipper Jones
    6. Joe Williams
    7. Mike Piazza
    8. Clayton Kershaw
    9. Arky Vaughan
    10. Bob Feller
    11. Curt Schilling
    12. Gary Carter

    Comment


    • #3
      1. Bob Feller
      2. Curt Schilling
      3, Chipper Jones
      4. Gary Carter
      5. Mike Piazza
      6. Clayton Kershaw
      7. Arky Vaughan
      8. Steve Carlton
      9. Ed Delahanty
      10. Frank Thomas
      11. Martin Dihigo
      12. Joe Williams

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      • #4
        1. Mike Piazza
        2. Gary Carter
        3. Smokey Joe Williams
        4. Martin Dihigo
        5. Arky Vaughan
        6. Steve Carlton
        7. Chipper Jones
        8. Bob Feller
        9. Curt Schilling
        10. Ed Delahanty
        11. Clayton Kershaw
        12. Frank Thomas
        Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
        http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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        • #5
          1. Bob Feller
          2. Smokey Joe Williams
          3. Ed Delahanty
          4. Steve Carlton
          5. Mike Piazza
          6. Arky Vaughan
          7. Curt Schilling
          8. Gary Carter
          9. Frank Thomas
          10. Chipper Jones
          11. Clayton Kershaw
          12. Martin Dihigo

          Comment


          • #6
            1. Smokey Joe Williams
            2. Ed Delahanty
            3. Clayton Kershaw
            4. Chipper Jones
            5. Frank Thomas
            6. Martin Dihigo
            7. Steve Carlton
            8. Bob Feller
            9. Arky Vaughan
            10. Mike Piazza
            11. Gary Carter
            12. Curt Schilling
            Put it in the books.

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            • #7
              Good to see Smokey Joe polling well so far...I'm closing on a house tomorrow, remodeling, then moving the following weekend, so if I'm quiet around these parts, my apologies, I will try to keep nominations and voting here if doable, have a great Memorial Day weekend all!
              Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
              http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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              • #8
                1. Frank Thomas
                2. Smokey Joe Williams
                3. Ed Delahanty
                4. Mike Piazza
                5. Bob Feller
                6. Chipper Jones
                7. Steve Carlton
                8. Martin Dihigo
                9. Arky Vaughan
                10. Gary Carter
                11. Clayton Kershaw
                12. Curt Schilling

                Comment


                • #9
                  1. Thomas
                  2. Jones
                  3. Carter
                  4. Carlton
                  5. Williams
                  6. Piazza
                  7. Dihigo
                  8. Vaughan
                  9. Feller
                  10. Kershaw
                  11. Delahanty
                  12. Schilling
                  Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                  Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    1. Feller
                    2. Piazza
                    3. Jones
                    4. Delahanty
                    5, Carlton
                    6. Vaughan
                    7. SJWilliams
                    8. Kershaw
                    9. Dihigo
                    10. Thomas
                    11. Schilling
                    ​​​​​​​12. Carter

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                    • #11
                      We have 8 people voting but none over the last 36 hours so I'm going to nominate closing
                      Last edited by John Shoemaker; 05-24-2020, 05:41 AM.

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                      • #12
                        I'm inclined to pause for a couple days to allow for the holiday. So I'm planning to post the tally on Tuesday.

                        Maybe that will give Chadwick and others a chance to chime in.
                        Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                        Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                          I'm inclined to pause for a couple days to allow for the holiday. So I'm planning to post the tally on Tuesday.

                          Maybe that will give Chadwick and others a chance to chime in.
                          That sounds like a good idea

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                          • #14
                            This is a fun poll, but the participation is a bit disappointing. Maybe it's because it's shortly after the top 150 poll by Bothrops/TI. In any case, 8 voters is concerning to me for validity purposes. I'm not a statistician, but with such small numbers it seems like some unusual results can occur. This isn't a criticism- I'm enjoying it and hope it can continue.

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                            • #15
                              We have actually had 16 different people patricipate in 1 or more rounds from time to time. And if we get a really unusual result we can always invoke the failsafe rule.

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