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    Sam Crawford Thread:

    It's time Sam Crawford had his own thread.
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    I date all my baseball photos using the following book. (Baseball Uniforms of the 20th Century: The Official ML BB Guide, Researched, Illustrated & Written by Marc Okkonen, 1991, 1993)

    Also, the following website, hostd by the Hall of Fame, mainly using the same book above, but also using images after 1993, has assisted me in dating some of the photos. http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...e.htm#database

    On this photographic gallery, I have attempted, using the book above, to date all the photos. If I caption a photo with the following, John Smith, Cubs OF, 1910-13, that means that the photo was taken sometime between 1910-13, when the player was on the Cubs. It does NOT mean that the player was only on the Cubs in that time frame. He might have been on the Cubs from 1900-18, but the photo was only taken between 1910-13.
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    If you enjoy this photo gallery, you might also like our other ones, too.

    Historical, Archival Photographs---Pre-1900---Negro L.---Vintage Panoramic Pictures---Members' Gallery---Runningshoes Presents: Photo Op---Meet The Sports Writers

    Photos of the following individual players---Hank Aaron---Pete Alexander---Ty Cobb---Eddie Collins---Sam Crawford---Jimmy Foxx---Lou Gehrig---Rickey Henderson---Rogers Hornsby---Joe Jackson---Walter Johnson---Nap Lajoie---Connie Mack---John McGraw---Mickey Mantle---Christy Mathewson---Willie Mays---Mel Ott---Babe Ruth---George Sisler---Tris Speaker---Pie Traynor---Rube Waddell--- Honus Wagner---Ted Williams---Zack Wheat---Rare Ty Cobb ---Rare Babe Ruth---Bill's Babe Ruth---Rare Ted Williams---Bill's Rare Finds ---Babefan's Fantastic Vintage Baseball photos---GaryL's Boston Public Library Baseball Photo Project

    We also have some very nice, attractive team photo collections---New York Yankees---New York Giants---Detroit Tigers---Pittsburgh Pirates---Brooklyn Dodgers

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    Source: Top, Left: Sam Crawford: Baseball's Best, by Martin Appel, 1980, pp. 115.
    Source: Top, Middle: Sam Crawford: The National League, An Illustrated History, by Donald Honig, 1987, pp. 12.
    Source: Top, Right: Sam Crawford: Baseball As I Have Known It, by Fred Lieb, 1977, pp. 77.
    Source: Second from Top, Left: Sam Crawford: Baseball's Best, by Martin Appel, 1980, pp. 114.
    Source: Second from Top, Right: Sam Crawford: 150 Years of Baseball, 1989, pp. 100. Or, The Sporting News Selects Baseball's Greatest Players, by Ron Smith, 1998, pp. 182.
    Source: Third from Top, Left: Baseball's Golden Age, The Photographs of Charles M. Conlon, by Neil McCabe/Constance McCabe, 1993, pp. 86.
    Source: Third from Top, Right: My Life In Baseball - The True Record, Ty Cobb with Al Stump, 1961, pp. 24.

    Sam Crawford, Detroit RF/1B, 1905-06, Occasionally filled in at 1B----------------------------------------------------- 1910---BB Ref


    'Wahoo Sam' Crawford, 1907-11----------------------------------------1908-11-------------------------------------1907-11---------------------------------------1905-11.


    2 Shots of Sam in 1917, his last ML season. Note the small US flag on his shoulder. 1917 was the only season Detroit uniforms sported the flag, for WWI.


    -----------------------2 Shots of Sam in 1907, Chicago.



    -----------2 Shots of Sam in 1905.---------------Sam is on the left, in black. Sometimes he played 1B for the Tigers.


    -----------2 Shots of Sam in 1915-16---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1905-07


    --------------------------October 8, 1909--------------------------------------------------------------------1905-06


    -----------------------2 Shots of Sam in 1912-13


    --------------------------------------------1914-15--------------------------------------------------------------1912-13---------------------1899: rookie with the Reds

    218
    I rank Sam Crawford a Top 50 Player.
    5.96%
    13
    I rank Sam Crawford a 51-70 Top Player.
    2.29%
    5
    I rank Sam Crawford a 71-100 Top Player.
    2.29%
    5
    I rank Sam Crawford lower than a Top 100 Player.
    0.00%
    0
    I rank Sam Crawford a Top 10 Right-Fielder.
    5.50%
    12
    I do NOT rank Sam Crawford a Top 10 Right-Fielder.
    0.92%
    2
    I still rank Sam a Top 20 Slugger.
    5.05%
    11
    I do NOT rank Sam a Top 20 Slugger.
    2.29%
    5
    I ran Sam a Top 40 Hitter.
    4.59%
    10
    I do NOT rank Sam a Top 40 Hitter.
    2.29%
    5
    I rank Sam above Reggie Jackson as a Player.
    4.59%
    10
    I rank Sam above Mel Ott as a Player.
    0.92%
    2
    I rank Sam above Paul Waner as a Player.
    5.50%
    12
    I rank Sam above Al Kaline as a Player.
    4.13%
    9
    I rank Sam above Tony Gwynn as a Player.
    3.67%
    8
    I rank Sam above Roberto Clemente as a Player.
    4.13%
    9
    I rank Sam above Harry Heilmann as a Player.
    7.34%
    16
    I rank Sam above Pete Rose as a Player.
    2.75%
    6
    I rank Sam above Ichiro as a Player.
    5.05%
    11
    I rank Sam above Willie Keeler as a Player.
    6.88%
    15
    I rank Sam above Dave Winfield as a Player.
    5.96%
    13
    I rank Sam above Gary Sheffield as a Player.
    5.05%
    11
    I rank Sam above Vladimir Guerrero as a Player.
    5.50%
    12
    I rank Sam above Chuck Klein as a Player.
    7.34%
    16
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-25-2011, 01:37 PM.

  • #2
    Sam Crawford's Relative Stats:

    Crawford-----Rel.BA---------Rel.Onb---------Rel.Slg.------OPS+-------Rel.ISO+
    ------------118.9 (28th)-----110 (158th)------131 (38th)--145 (49th)----185.2 (25th)
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Home/Away--BA----Slg.----onbase---HR---D-------T-----RBI------AB------BB
    Home:-----.318---459-----.370-----42---199-----165----???-----4,633----377
    Away:-----.302---.447-----.352------56---264----144----???------4,937---383
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    Hitting Stats:

    Crawford, Cobb, Wagner, Hornsby, Ruth, Gehrig, T. Williams, Mantle, Mays, Aaron, DiMaggio, Speaker, Lajoie, Musial, Collins, J. Jackson, Wheat, Roush, Foxx, Clemente, Schmidt, Yaz, Anson, Bonds, B. Williams, Kiner, Killebrew, Rose, Gwynn, Kaline, Greenberg, Waner, R. Jackson, Boggs, Gehringer, Brouthers, Delahanty, Simmons, Mize, Brett, F. Robinson, Ashburn, Sisler, Snider, Banks, Molitor, Keeler, Bench, Terry, Henderson.
    Code:
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    led league---0----0----1---6---2----1----3----2---0---0---0---0--0
    2nd league---4----5----4---3---2----1----4----6---0---4---0---0--2
    3rd----------1----4----0---3---2----0----2----2---0---3---0---0--4
    4th----------2----0----1---0---1----1----2----1---2---1---0---0--3
    5th----------0----2----0---0---3----2----1----2---2---2---0---0--0
    6th----------1----0----2---3---1----0----2----1---1---0---1---0--1
    
    Cobb--------BA--Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI-TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--12---8----3----4----1---5---4---6----7----8----6---0--11
    2nd-league---3---3----4----4----2---2---2---2----7----3----1---1---3
    3rd----------1---3----4----2----2---2---1---2----0----3----2---0---1 
    4th----------2---0----0----1----0---1---0---1----0----1----3---1---1
    5th----------1---0----0----1----0---2---1---0----1----0----0---1---0
    6th----------2---0----2----0----0---0---0---0----0----0----0---0---0
    
    Wagner-------BA--Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI--TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----8---2----7----3----0---2---5----7---4----6----5---0--6
    2nd league----2---2----1----3----1---2---2----1---1----3----0---0--2
    3rd-----------0---5----3----2----0---2---2----4---2----2----2---0--2
    4th-----------2---3----0----0----1---2---3----2---1----1----0---1--1
    5th-----------1---1----1----0----2---1---1----2---2----0----0---0--0
    6th-----------1---0----0----1----2---0---1----0---0----1----0---1--0
    
    Hornsby-----BA---Hits-2B---3B--HR----R--RBI--TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---8----4----4----2---2----5---4----7----9----9----0---3--12
    2nd league---2----1----1----1---2----1---1----2----1----1----0---1---1
    3rd----------1----1----1----1---3----0---2----0----1----1----0---0---0
    4th----------1----3----4----0---1----2---0----0----0----1----0---2---0
    5th----------0----0----0----0---5----0---0----0----0----1----0---0---0
    6th----------0----0----0----1---1----0---1----1----1----0----0---2---1
    
    Ruth---------BA---Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI--TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----1----0----1----0---12---8---6----6----9---13----0--11--13
    2nd league----2----0----1----0----2---1---2--- 3----2----1----0---1---1
    3rd-----------2----0----1----0----1---0---0----2----1----1----0---1---2
    4th-----------1----3----0----0----0---0---3----0----2----0----0---0---0
    5th-----------1----0----0----0----0---1---0----0----0----0----0---0---0
    6th-----------0----2----1----1----0---1---1----0----0----0----0---0---0
    
    Gehrig------BA---Hits-2B---3B---HR--Runs--RBI--TB---OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league---1----1----1----4----2----4----4----2----4----2---0---3--3
    2nd league---2----3----0----0----4----2----4----3----2----4---0---2--6
    3rd----------3----0----0----1----3----3----2----2----3----1---0---3--3
    4th----------0----1----0----0----1----2----2----0----0----3---0---0--0
    5th----------2----1----0----0----1----0----0----1----1----0---0---0--0
    6th----------1----0----1----0----1----0----0----1----0----0---0---1--0			
    							
    Ted Williams--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA--SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league-----6----0----2---0---4---6----4----6---12---8---0---8--9
    2nd in league--2----1----2---0---4---1----2----0----0---1---0---1--1
    3rd------------1----2----0---0---2---1----1----4----0---1---0---2--3
    4th------------1----1----2---0---0---1----1----0----0---2---0---0--0
    5th------------0----4----0---0---0---0----1----0----0---0---0---1--0
    6th------------0----0----0---0---3---0----0----0----1---0---0---1--0
    												
    Mickey Mantle--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league------1----1----0---1---4----6----1----3---3---4---0---5--8
    2nd in league---1----0----1---0---3----2----3----4---5---0---0---3--3
    3rd-------------1----0----0---0---2----1----1----2---1---2---0---2--1
    4th-------------2----2----0---1---0----0----0----1---2---0---2---0--0	
    5th-------------0----0----0---0---1----0----2----0---0---0---0---0--0
    6th-------------0----0----0---1---0----1----3----0---1---1---0---1--0				
    
    Willie Mays----BA---Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league------1----1----0---3----4---2----0----3---2---5---4---1--6
    2nd in league---3----1----1---1----1---5----2----5---1---3---0---1--1
    3rd-------------2----1----1---1----3---3----3----5---2---2---0---2--5
    4th-------------0----0----0---0----1---0----2----1---1---2---1---1--2
    5th-------------1----1----0---0----2---0----1----1---5---4---0---1--0
    6th-------------1----2----2---0----2---2----2----0---1---0---0---3--1	
    
    Hank Aaron----BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league-----2---2----4---0---4----3----4---8---0---4---0---0--3
    2nd in league--0---3----2---2---4----1----0---2---2---5---1---1--4
    3rd------------0---1----1---0---1----4----2---2---3---4---0---2--4
    4th------------3---0----1---2---2----2----2---2---1---1---2---2--1
    5th------------4---0----0---0---2----1----1---0---2---1---0---0--1
    6th------------0---3----1---0---2----1----1---1---1---2---2---0--2	
    
    Joe DiMaggio---BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA--SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league------2---0----0---1---2---1----2----3---0----2---0---0--1
    2nd in league---0---1----1---0---0---2----3----2---0----5---0---0--4
    3rd-------------2---1----0---4---1---0----3----1---2----0---0---0--2
    4th-------------0---2----1---0---5---0----1----1---3----0---0---0--0
    5th-------------0---0----0---0---2---2----1----2---0----0---0---0--1
    6th-------------0---1----1---0---1---1----1----0---0----1---0---0--0
    
    Tris Speaker--BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league-----1---2----8---0---1---0----0----1---4---1---0---0--1
    2nd in league--2---1----3---1---2---4----1----3---3---2---0---1--4
    3rd------------7---2----1---1---0---2----1----2---4---4---1---0--5	
    4th------------2---4----0---0---2---2----2----3---3---4---1---4--3
    5th------------1---2----0---0---0---0----0----1---1---2---3---2--3
    6th------------1---0----1---1---0---2----0----0---0---1---1---3--0
    
    Nap Lajoie---BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs--RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league----3---4----5---0---1----1----3---4---2---4---0---0--3
    2nd in league-3---0----4---1---0----1----1---2---2---3---0---0--3
    3rd-----------1---1----1---0---1----0----2---0---1---2---0---0--0
    4th-----------1---1----1---0---0----1----1---2---1---0---0---0--1
    5th-----------0---1----0---0---0----0----1---0---1---0---0---0--0
    6th-----------3---1----0---0---2----0----1---0---0---2---1---0--4
    
    Stan Musial-BA--Hits-2B---3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league---7---6----8----5---0---5----2----6---6---6----0---1--6
    2nd league---2---3----3----1---1---4----0----2---7---3----0---0--4
    3rd----------5---2----1----1---1---4----3----1---0---0----0---2--0
    4th----------2---1----0----2---1---1----2----2---2---3----0---2--3
    5th----------1---0----0----1---1---1----2----2---0---1----0---2--0
    6th----------0---0----2----0---1---0----0----1---1---0----0---0--1
    
    Ed Collins--BA--Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led League---0---0----0---0----0---3----0---0----0---0---4---1--0
    2nd league---3---2----0---1----0---1----0---0----3---0---4---5--1
    3rd----------0---1----0---0----0---2----1---1----7---1---2---2--2
    4th----------5---1----1---0----0---2----0---0----2---0---2---2--2
    5th----------2---3----0---1----0---0----1---3----2---1---1---1--3
    6th----------1---1----0---2----0---1----0---1----1---2---1---1--0
    
    J.Jackson---BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0----2----1---3---0---0----0---2---1----1----0---0--0
    2nd league---3----2----2---1---0---1----0---2---2----3----0---0--3
    3rd league---2----2----2---2---1---2----1---1---0----1----0---1--2
    4th----------2----2----0---1---0---1----4---1---3----2----0---0--1
    5th----------0----0----0---0---1---0----0---0---1----2----0---0--3
    6th----------0----0----0---0---0---1----0---0---0----0----1---0--0
    
    Z. Wheat----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---1----0----2---0---0---0----0---0----0----1----0---0--0
    2nd league---1----3----2---0---0---0----0---0----0----0----0---0--1
    3rd league---2----2----1---0---0---1----2---0----0----1----0---0--1
    4th----------2----0----0---0---1---0----0---0----2----2----0---0--1
    5th----------1----1----0---2---2---0----1---0----1----1----0---0--2
    6th----------0----0----0---1---2---1----2---0----0----0----0---0--1
    
    Edd Roush--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--2----0----1---1---1---0----0---1---0----1----0---0--1
    2nd league--2----0----1---2---0---0----1---0---0----0----1---0--1
    3rd league--1----3----0---3---0---0----1---0---1----1----0---0--2
    4th---------1----1----0---1---1---0----0---1---1----1----1---0--1
    5th---------1----1----0---0---0---2----0---1---1----0----0---0--0
    6th---------0----1----0---0---0---0----1---2---1----1----1---0--1
    
    J. Foxx-----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB--OPS+
    led league---2-----0---0---0---4---1----3---3---3---5----0---2--5
    2nd league---2-----1---0---0---3---2----0---1---3---1----0---1--2
    3rd league---1-----2---0---0---2---1----3---0---3---2----0---3--0
    4th----------0-----0---0---0---3---2----2---3---0---1----0---4--3
    5th----------1-----0---0---0---0---1----0---1---2---2----0---0--1
    6th----------0-----0---0---0---0---1----2---1---0---1----0---0--0
    
    Clemente----BA---Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---4----2----0---1----0---0----0----0---0---0---0---0--0
    2nd league---2----1----1---1----0---0----2----1---1---0---0---0--1
    3rd league---1----1----0---2----0---0----0----1---0---1---0---0--1
    4th----------2----1----0---1----0---2----0----0---1---0---0---0--0
    5th----------1----1----1---4----0---0----0----1---0---1---0---0--0
    6th----------0----1----2---1----0---0----0----0---3---1---0---0--1
    
    Schmidt-----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0----0----0---0---8---1----4---3---3---5----0---4--6
    2nd league---0----0----0---0---1---2----1---1---0---2----0---2--1
    3rd league---0----0----0---0---2---6----4---0---0---2----0---3--2
    4th----------1----0----0---0---1---0----0---1---3---3----0---3--1
    5th----------0----0----0---0---0---0----0---4---1---0----0---0--1
    6th----------0----0----0---0---1---1----0---0---0---0----0---1--0
    
    Yaz----------BA---Hits-2B-3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----3----2---3---0---1----3----1---2---5---3----0---2--4
    2nd league----2----0---1---0---0----1----0---0---1---0----0---3--1
    3rd league----0----0---2---1---1----1----1---0---1---0----0---1--0
    4th-----------0----2---0---0---1----1----0---2---0---1----0---1--0
    5th-----------0----1---0---0---0----1----1---0---0---0----0---2--0
    6th-----------0----1---1---0---0----0----0---2---0---0----0---0--1
    
    Anson-------BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR---Runs--RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--2----1----3--0---0-----0----8---1---4----0----0---1---1
    2nd league--5----4----2--1---0-----0----3---2---5----4----0---1---2
    3rd league--2----2----2--0---4-----0----3---2---1----1----0---1---1
    4th---------1----0----2--0---1-----2----0---2---1----3----0---2---3
    5th---------2----3----0--1---1-----2----0---0---2----1----0---0---3
    6th---------0----0----1--0---0-----4----0---3---3----0----0---2---1
    
    Bonds------BA---Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--2----0----0--0---2---1----1---1---8----7----0--10---9
    2nd league--0----0----0--0---5---3----1---0---3----1----0---4---3
    3rd league--1----0----0--0---1---6----0---1---0----1----1---1---2
    4th---------1----0----0--0---4---0----4---0---2----3----1---0---0
    5th---------0----0----0--0---0---1----0---3---1----1----2---0---1
    6th---------0----0----0--2---0---3----2---1---0----1----2---0---0
    
    B. Williams--BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----1---1----0--0---0---1----0---3---0---1---0---0--1
    2nd league----0---0----1--1---2---0----3---1---1---0---0---0--0
    3rd league----0---3----3--1---3---0----0---1---0---2---0---0--1
    4th-----------2---0----1--0---1---1----0---1---0---1---0---0--0
    5th-----------0---1----0--1---0---2----0---1---0---0---0---0--0
    6th-----------0---1----0--0---1---0----0---0---0---1---0---1--0
    
    Kiner-------BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0---0----0--0---7---1----1---1---1---3---0---3--0
    2nd league---0---0----0--0---0---0----3---2---0---0---0---3--0
    3rd league---0---0----0--0---0---1----1---0---2---1---0---0--0
    4th league---1---0----0--0---0---1----0---2---0---2---0---1--2
    5th----------1---0----0--0---1---1----1---0---0---0---0---0--0
    6th----------0---1----0--0---0---0----1---0---2---0---0---1--0
    
    Killebrew---BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB--OPS+
    led league---0---0----0--0---6----0----3---0---1---1---0---4---0
    2nd league---0---0----0--0---2----1----2---2---1---3---0---1---1
    3rd league---0---0----0--0---2----1----2---4---2---4---0---3---2
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    Here are the results of our 1st. RF poll, conducted by leecemark, December 8, 2004, 07:48 PM

    1) Babe Ruth 210
    2) Hank Aaron 189
    3) Frank Robinson 163
    4) Mel Ott 131
    5) Al Kaline 74
    6) Tony Gwynn 72
    7) Roberto Clemente 71
    8) Reggie Jackson 54
    9) Paul Waner 52
    10) Sam Crawford 49
    11) Harry Heilmann 30
    12) Pete Rose 12
    12) Ichiro Suzuki 12
    14) Dave Winfield 9
    14) Willie Keeler 9

    --other vote getters; Chuck Klein, Tony Oliva, Roger Maris, Kiki Cuyler, Sam Rice, Sam Thompson, Dwight Evans and Sammy Sosa.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Here are the results of our 2nd. poll, conducted by 538280, December 27, 2005, 10:55 AM

    We had 15 ballots submitted, and unsurprisingly, Babe Ruth was unanimously elected as our #1 RFer, with Hank Aaron also being a unanimous #2 choice. Frank Robinson and Mel Ott were the clear #3 and #4, but then after that things get really interesting. Here's everyone who received 12 or more points (first place votes in parenthesis):

    1. Babe Ruth-180 (15)
    2. Hank Aaron-135
    3. Frank Robinson-115
    4. Mel Ott-99
    5. Tony Gwynn-53
    6. Sam Crawford-50
    7. Reggie Jackson-49
    8. Roberto Clemente-42
    9. Pete Rose-38
    10. Al Kaline-35
    11. Paul Waner-22
    12. Gary Sheffield-12
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Here are the results of our 3rd. poll, conducted by Bill Burgess, June 6, 2007, 05:46 PM

    1. Babe Ruth - 159
    2. Hank Aaron - 145
    3. Frank Robinson - 124
    4. Mel Ott - 83
    5. Paul Waner - 79
    6. Reggie Jackson - 67
    7. Roberto Clemente - 55
    8. Tony Gwynn - 52
    9. Sam Crawford - 47
    10. Al Kaline - 41
    11. Pete Rose - 12.5
    12. Gary Sheffield - 12
    13. Harry Heilmann - 9
    13. Vladimir Guerrero - 9
    13. Dave Winfield - 9
    16. Ichiro Suzuki - 2.5
    17. Willie Keeler - 2
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Relative ISO: Some Pre-1920 hitters:

    Gavvy Cravath 217
    Harry Stovey 189
    Joe Jackson 187
    Sam Crawford 183
    Dan Brouthers 178
    Sam Thompson 174
    Roger Connor 172
    Honus Wagner 167
    Ed Delahanty 166
    Tris Speaker 163
    Frank Baker 162
    Ty Cobb 159
    Nap Lajoie 159
    Buck Ewing 154
    Ross Barnes 150
    Pete Browning 141
    Mike 'King' Kelly 138
    Jimmy Ryan 138
    Ned Williamson 135
    Bill Lange 126
    Cap Anson 121
    George Gore 114
    Jesse Burkett 114
    Herman Long 109
    Eddie Collins 103
    Hughie Jennings 101
    Billy Hamilton 0.89
    Willie Keeler 0.84
    John McGraw 0.77

    Source: Top: Peach, Ty Cobb in His Time and Ours, by Richard Bak, 2005, pp. 82.
    Source: Middle, Left: Peach, Ty Cobb in His Time and Ours, by Richard Bak, 2005, pp. 108.
    Source: Middle, Right: Smithsonian Baseball, by Stephen Wong, 2005, pp. 119.
    Source: Bottom, Left: The Detroit Tigers, by Fred Lieb, 1946, pp. 41. Or the more cropped The Sporting News Selects Baseball's Greatest Players, by Ron Smith, 1998, pp. 183.
    Source: Bottom, Right: Baseball's Golden Age: The Photographs of Charles M. Conlon, by Neal McCabe/Constance McCabe, 1993, pp. 142.

    --------------------Ty Cobb, Joe Jackson, Sam Crawford: 1911-12-------------------------------------------1917 (note shoulder patch)


    -------------Bobby Veach, Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford: 1915-----------------------------------------------1912


    --------------------------1908-11-----------------------------------------------------1912-13



    -------------1917


    ----------------1913


    1917.

    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 12-20-2011, 01:46 PM.

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    • #3
      You are so right

      This is an overdue thread, and one which I'd been mulling over myself, though I'm not nearly so erudite as to give it justice. Looking at these terrific pictures, seeing in the mind's eye the portrait of a ballplayer, it is hard to comprehend how opposing teams must have approached Detroit: Cobb AND Crawford? No fair...

      Wahoo is one of the players that I'd follow, other than the obvious 4 or 5 (Cobb, Wagner, Speaker, Jackson, a couple of the pitchers like Walter, Christy, Cy) from that era. Was he, in the opinion of readers, as much a second fiddle to Cobb as was, say, Gehrig to Ruth? Simmons to Foxx? Matthews to Aaron? I can't say Berra to Mantle, since Yogi won 3 MVPs, but same sort of bailiwick. To me, Crawford is nearly as under-rated as Spahn, or Musial. Am I really far off-base, and wrong as usual?
      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-16-2009, 02:08 PM.

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      • #4
        Code:
        FName	LName		Year	Team	Lg	BA+	OBP+	SLG+	OPS+	ISO+
        Sam	Crawford	1899	CIN	NL	105	89	122	115	179
        Sam	Crawford	1900	CIN	NL	93	92	117	105	192
        Sam	Crawford	1901	CIN	NL	130	124	158	162	248
        Sam	Crawford	1902	CIN	NL	115	111	129	164	190
        Sam	Crawford	1903	DET	AL	132	121	142	156	173
        Sam	Crawford	1904	DET	AL	105	106	114	113	141
        Sam	Crawford	1905	DET	AL	120	116	132	150	174
        Sam	Crawford	1906	DET	AL	113	107	121	135	152
        Sam	Crawford	1907	DET	AL	122	114	139	163	208
        Sam	Crawford	1908	DET	AL	122	113	141	164	210
        Sam	Crawford	1909	DET	AL	120	113	136	159	196
        Sam	Crawford	1910	DET	AL	108	99	123	137	173
        Sam	Crawford	1911	DET	AL	128	120	136	169	160
        Sam	Crawford	1912	DET	AL	123	113	135	141	173
        Sam	Crawford	1913	DET	AL	121	112	142	151	210
        Sam	Crawford	1914	DET	AL	119	115	140	162	207
        Sam	Crawford	1915	DET	AL	112	105	123	139	157
        Sam	Crawford	1916	DET	AL	107	105	115	129	141
        Sam	Crawford	1917	DET	AL	68	63	82	45	129
        Sam	Crawford	Career			116	110	131	145	180

        I used my own database, and the Total Baseball relative stats calculations (rather than the Baseball Reference ones, as the former is easier) to compute relative stats for Sam Crawford.
        "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

        - Alvin Dark

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        • #5
          The top three sluggers of the deadball era were Crawford, Wagner, and Cobb, in that order. Cobb holds a number of relative slugging titles, but those who choose to look at this as proof of Cobb's supremacy are missing the effect of his high batting averages. Batting average drives up slugging. I did a study that showed when one equalizes the batting averages for these three players, Sam Crawford is easily the greatest power hitter of the deadball era, with Wagner leading Cobb by a slim margin. Given that there are other factors that we do not have complete statistics for, I would say Wagner vs. Cobb is not a definite. But I am convinced Sam Crawford was the greatest power hitter of his generation.
          "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

          - Alvin Dark

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          • #6
            I love this photo of Cobb and Crawford: 1908-11
            Last edited by Bill Burgess; 08-22-2009, 04:13 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by AstrosFan View Post
              The top three sluggers of the deadball era were Crawford, Wagner, and Cobb, in that order. Cobb holds a number of relative slugging titles, but those who choose to look at this as proof of Cobb's supremacy are missing the effect of his high batting averages. Batting average drives up slugging. I did a study that showed when one equalizes the batting averages for these three players, Sam Crawford is easily the greatest power hitter of the deadball era, with Wagner leading Cobb by a slim margin. Given that there are other factors that we do not have complete statistics for, I would say Wagner vs. Cobb is not a definite. But I am convinced Sam Crawford was the greatest power hitter of his generation.
              I don't think too many are so obsessed with Ty that they'd suggest he was the leading slugger of his time. Ty Cobb was clearly, most definitely NOT the leading slugger of the deadball era.

              His 8 slugging titles do prove that he could slug, however. It is a good indication that he was an all-around hitter, not primarily a slugger. And it is understood, and accepted, that his Slug. Ave. was driven by his BA. But that was the preferred, approved style of that time.

              It is surprising that he could maintain an excellent slugging average when he seldom went for distance. Just as it was always surprising that Babe Ruth could maintain such a high BA, when he did try for distance.

              That is why those 2 hitters were so surprising. It was their over-all excellence which surprises us, that they could post well in the very category that they were not specializing in.

              I have always felt that the hitters of the deadball who deserved to be lauded as 'sluggers', were Delahanty, Brouthers, Wagner, Lajoie, Crawford, Cravath & Joe Jackson.

              But Cobb, Speaker, Anson slugged well, and should not be written off as singles hitters with a little bit of pop. That too, would miss the important historical context. And it's the context which separates the better analysts, from the hacks, who are always afraid of going against the barroom stereo-types.
              Last edited by Bill Burgess; 12-17-2007, 07:01 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AstrosFan View Post
                I used my own database, and the Total Baseball relative stats calculations (rather than the Baseball Reference ones, as the former is easier) to compute relative stats for Sam Crawford.
                Thank you so very much, AstrosFan. Knew I could count on you! Good job, as usual from you.

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                • #9
                  Judging from AstrosFans chart in post #4, what season do you think represented Sam's Greatest Season?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AstrosFan View Post
                    The top three sluggers of the deadball era were Crawford, Wagner, and Cobb, in that order. Cobb holds a number of relative slugging titles, but those who choose to look at this as proof of Cobb's supremacy are missing the effect of his high batting averages. Batting average drives up slugging. I did a study that showed when one equalizes the batting averages for these three players, Sam Crawford is easily the greatest power hitter of the deadball era, with Wagner leading Cobb by a slim margin. Given that there are other factors that we do not have complete statistics for, I would say Wagner vs. Cobb is not a definite. But I am convinced Sam Crawford was the greatest power hitter of his generation.
                    Might you have any appetite to construct a small chart, showing the relative stats of the deadball sluggers - Delahanty, Brouthers, Wagner, Lajoie, Crawford, Cravath, Joe Jackson, Cobb, Speaker & Anson?

                    Might one persuade you? Might be fun! A lot of fun.

                    Bill

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                    • #11
                      I think of the deadball era as spanning 1903-19 or 1903-18, so I don't really think of Brouthers, Delahanty, or Anson as deadball players. Cravath was a product of the Baker Bowl. Lajoie may have been a greater power hitter than Cobb, but I am not certain of that. I did not mean to suggest that many people argue in favor of Cobb as the greatest slugger, merely that those who do are missing a key element, which you seem well aware of, Bill.
                      "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                      - Alvin Dark

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                      • #12
                        Bill, I'm about to continue working on a margarita, and about to start dinner, but I'll have the data up after that, if someone doesn't beat me to it.
                        "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                        - Alvin Dark

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                        • #13
                          Who would like to do some brief, thumb-nail comparisons of Sam with his main fellow right-fielding rivals?

                          Ott, Kaline, Gwynn, Clemente, R.Jackson, Waner, Heilmann, Rose, Ichiro.

                          Doesn't need to be elaborate. Maybe just a sentence per each?

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                          • #14
                            Baseball Magazine for Researchers:

                            Many here have heard me go on about The Sporting News. But once upon a time, 1908-1954, there was another publication, Baseball Magazine. It was more like Look/Life, in that it was a features-oriented publication.

                            It featured articles on the players, aspects of BB, teams, etc. I would like to share that it is now online, for free, and has up, 1908-18.

                            They featured certain players in certain issues. They'd call it their "Ty Cobb number", or "Eddie Collins Number". The said issue would have 3-4 articles of the said player in that issue. So, in the interest of helping research along, I'd like to isolate those issues, which featured certain players.

                            Cy Young, September, 1908
                            Addie Joss, June, 1911
                            Ty Cobb, March, 1912
                            Christy Mathewson, December, 1914
                            Honus Wagner, January, 1915
                            Eddie Collins, March, 1915
                            Walter Johnson, April, 1915
                            Grover Alexander, January, 1916
                            Sam Crawford, February, 1916
                            Joe Jackson, March, 1916
                            Tris Speaker, March 1917
                            Babe Ruth, April, 1920
                            George Sisler, March, 1921
                            Harry Heilmann, March, 1922
                            Rogers Hornsby, April, 1922
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                            Hope this assists researchers. link: http://search.la84foundation.org/sea...om=%3CHOME/%3E
                            scroll down to Baseball Magazine, and check the box to its left, before you do your searches.
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                            Along about 1916, and Baseball Magazine still hadn't honored Sam Crawford with his own number (issue). There was heard a hue and cry throughout the land of fandom that an injustice had been committed against old Sam. So loud that they just had to do one on him.

                            In it, was a photo of Sam, posed at home, with his wife and new baby, in decked out in their very best 'go-to-meeting' attire. I hope to find that photo, from Baseball Magazine, February, 1916 and post it here.

                            Ah! Found them. Just click onto the links below, and scroll down.

                            http://www.la84foundation.org/Sports...16/bbm164d.pdf

                            http://www.la84foundation.org/Sports...16/bbm164q.pdf
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                            In May, 1908, Baseball Magazine launched as a great baseball magazine with features, photos, articles. It started spot-lighting some of the biggest stars. It would feature a star by publishing 3-4 articles on them in one issue, which it called 'numbers'.

                            For some reason, it didn't get around to Sam Crawford until 1916, when the fans clamored for a 'number' for Sam, which had attained a groundswell of support for him. The magazine dispatched a photographer to his home in Detroit, and below are the photos which came out of the session. Showing Sam at home, with his wife, Ada and little daughter, Virginia, who was around 8 years old at the time. Enjoy!

                            Sam Crawford, Tigers' RF, 1916, at home---BB Reference



                            Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-15-2011, 03:18 PM.

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                            • #15
                              2 Walter Johnson quotes on Sam Crawford:
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                              "Among the old timers, Sam Crawford stands out in my memory. He too would have thrived in these days of the lively ball. I was touring the Pacific Coast in '24. Babe Ruth was there. I pitched against him and he drove out a tremendous fly for a long home run. Everybody began to yell. It was a true Ruth wallop. Then Sam Crawford came up, an old player long past his prime. I put a lot on the ball and he met it on the nose. It soared out and fell in almost the precise spot where Ruth had put it earlier in the game. That doesn't mean to say that Sam would hit the ball as hard as Ruth all the time or very often. But if he was playing at the Yankee Stadium now, and was in his prime, he'd belt a lot of homers into that right-field stand. (Baseball Magazine, October, 1929, The Greatest Players I Ever Saw, Comprising an Interview with Walter Johnson)
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                              Sam Crawford and Frank Baker were good heavy hitters, uncommonly good but they wouldn't rank with the Frenchman [Nap Lajoie] or with Joe Jackson. (Baseball Magazine, June, 1925, an Interview with Walter Johnson, 'The Greatest Batters I Have Ever Faced')
                              Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-15-2011, 03:09 PM.

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