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  • BBF Ranking Game - Election #71 - Voting

    Welcome to the BBF Ranking Game. We are creating an all-time ranking of players based on the wisdom of the crowd.

    This is the Voting thread for Election #71, where we will determine the 666th-680th best players of all-time. In the nomination thread: https://www.baseball-fever.com/forum/general-baseball/history-of-the-game/3620201-bbf-ranking-game-election-71-nominations, we determined these as the 30 candidates for this election:
    1. Harold Baines
    2. Dave Barnhill
    3. Mark Belanger
    4. Bill Bradley
    5. Lorenzo Cain
    6. Tom Candiotti
    7. Cecil Cooper
    8. Paul Derringer
    9. Art Devlin
    10. Dan Haren
    11. Jason Heyward
    12. Kent Hrbek
    13. George Kell
    14. Ray Lankford
    15. Carney Lansford
    16. Francisco Lindor
    17. Herman Long
    18. Bill Mazeroski
    19. Bobby Murcer
    20. Al Orth
    21. Juan Padron
    22. Tony Pena
    23. Aramis Ramirez
    24. Jose Ramirez
    25. Bonnie Serrell
    26. Lonnie Smith
    27. Justin Turner
    28. Mickey Vernon
    29. Bob Welch
    30. Chief Zimmer
    The preferred voting method is make a post here ranking these players from 1 to 30, from best to worst. We’re also allowing the use of Ties and Quadrant Voting as options.

    The voting will remain open at least 72 hours (though ~a week may be suitable the later we go in elections). After that, three voters are needed to end it (Nominate Closing – 2nd – 3rd). Then someone will tally the results, which I can handle for the present time.

    Please post any questions concerning this project in the Proposal thread. You will also find complete rules for this project. Thanks for playing!

    Criteria for election:
    • We’ll consider anyone who could be eligible as a player for the NBHOFM. So all professional players in the United States since 1869. Value in other play such as NABBP, foreign leagues, barnstorming, etc., should be considered, as long as a significant portion of a player’s career value was accrued in professional play in North America.
    • We do want to consider circumstances that prevented players from participating at the game’s highest level at times when they could have been contributors. Due credit should be given for time missed due to short schedules, military service, racial barriers, being trapped in the minors, being blackballed or banned. But no extra credit for injuries, accidents or premature death.
    • Voters are expected to make their best effort to rank Negro leaguers and other players for whom the statistical record is incomplete or sketchy.
    • It’s left to the individual voter how much consideration to give to peak vs career, league quality affects, positional balance, time-lining, postseason credit, leverage, etc.
    • We’re here to rank the players, from the greatest on down. “The definition of a great player is one who helps his team win a lot of games.” -Bill James
    • So this ain’t the hall of fame; there’s no “character clause”. We’re assessing playing performance, nothing else. This task is difficult enough; we don’t need to consider how much weight to give non-playing factors, such as speculations about leadership, or sanctions for cheating, or hit pieces from disaffected writers, etc.

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    Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
    http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

  • #2
    1. Jason Heyward
    2. Lorenzo Cain
    3. Ray Lankford
    4. Lonnie Smith
    5. Mark Belanger
    6. Tom Candiotti
    7. Kent Hrbek
    8. Justin Turner
    9. Jose Ramirez
    10. Carney Lansford
    11. Francisco Lindor
    12. Al Orth
    13. Bob Welch
    14. Dan Haren
    15. Dave Barnhill
    16. Cecil Cooper
    17. Juan Padron
    18. Art Devlin
    19. George Kell
    20. Bill Bradley
    21. Bobby Murcer
    22. Aramis Ramirez
    23. Bonnie Serrell
    24. Mickey Vernon
    25. Chief Zimmer
    26. Herman Long
    27. Paul Derringer
    28. Harold Baines
    29. Bill Mazeroski
    30. Tony Pena

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    • #3
      1. Bob Welch
      2. Bobby Murcer
      3. Dan Haren
      4. Kent Hrbek
      5. Cecil Cooper
      6. Harold Baines
      7. Tom Candiotti
      8. Mickey Vernon
      9. Herman Long
      10. George Kell
      11. Al Orth
      12. Bill Bradley
      13. Ray Lankford
      14. Art Devlin
      15. Tony Pena
      16. Bill Mazeroski
      17. Justin Turner
      18. Lorenzo Cain
      19. Chief Zimmer
      20. Carney Lansford
      21. Lonnie Smith
      22. Francisco Lindor
      23. Juan Padron
      24. Jose Ramirez
      25. Jason Heyward
      26. Aramis Ramirez
      27. Dave Barnhill
      28. Paul Derringer
      29. Mark Belanger
      30. Bonnie Serrell

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      • #4
        1. Bob Welch
        2. Al Orth
        3. Bill Mazeroski
        4. Dan Haren
        5. Bobby Murcer
        6. Francisco Lindor
        7. Art Devlin
        8. Jose Ramirez
        9. Lonnie Smith
        10. Bill Bradley
        11. Carney Lansford
        12. Ray Lankford
        13. George Kell
        14. Justin Turner
        15. Mickey Vernon
        16. Aramis Ramirez
        17. Chief Zimmer
        18. Jason Heyward
        19. Tom Candiotti
        20. Lorenzo Cain
        21. Tony Pena
        22. Harold Baines
        23. Cecil Cooper
        24. Juan Padron
        25. Kent Hrbek
        26. Mark Belanger
        27. Paul Derringer
        28. Herman Long
        29. Dave Barnhill
        -----100s of better players----
        30. Bonnie Serrell

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        • #5
          1. Bonnie Serrell
          2. Dave Barnhill
          3. Francisco Lindor
          4. Lorenzo Cain
          5. Jose Ramirez
          6. Juan Padron
          7. Art Devlin
          8. Jason Heyward
          9. Justin Turner
          10. Bill Bradley
          11. Al Orth
          12. Lonnie Smith
          13. Charles Zimmer
          14. Ray Lankford
          15. Kent Hrbek
          16. Carney Lansford
          17. George Kell
          18. Mark Belanger
          19. Tom Candiotti
          20. Herman Long
          21. Dan Haren
          22. Bob Welch
          23. Cecil Cooper
          24. Bill Mazeroski
          25. Bobby Murcer
          26. Aramis Ramirez
          27. Mickey Vernon
          28. Harold Baines
          29. Tony Pena
          30. Paul Derringer
          Put it in the books.

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          • #6
            Here's a pretty good write-up on Serrell.

            https://www.beabetterhitter.com/hist...arney-serrell/

            Historical Hitter September 29 1942: Barney Serrell

            Today the focus is on batters and in this case the batting hero the day from September 29 comes from the 1942 Negro League World Series. The batting hero of the day is Barney Serrell of the Kansas City Monarchs. His 10 hits in a 4-game World Series ties the Babe’s record set in 1928. Serrell’s hitting lead the Monarchs over the Homestead Grays to capture the title, with today’s victory being a 9-5 victory in Shibe Park in Philadelphia.

            Serrell was a man of many nicknames which ranged from: Barney, Bonnie, Cricket, El Cura, El Grillo, and William C. His fielding skills were graceful and flowing, he covered so much ground at second base he was also garnered the Brooks Robinson moniker “The Vacuum Cleaner” nickname. He was a star player in both the Negro Leagues and in Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and in the Pacific Coast League from the 1941 to 1958.

            For the Monarchs he played second base and was the key to their 1942 Title. In 1973 Frank Duncan writing the Journal of Black Sports described Serrell as the best ballplayer on the Monarchs.

            “Jackie was not the best player of our team that year; No, he was not. I met and had a young boy named “Bonnie” Serrell at second base, thin and large hitador, oh man!, he could hit out of this world.”

            He broke in with the Monarchs by hitting over .400 although he had an aggressive swing, never one for working the count to take a walk, he was not known for striking out. In 1942 while he was in Mexico, Jackie Robinson replaced him at second base for the Monarchs.

            His best statistical years were in Mexico in the 1940’s. Being out of the country got him in trouble with the draft board, for when he was drafted, he was south of the border, and thus unaware of the draft notices. He was at the top of the league leaders in Mexico in doubles and triples and batting average during that time period, and noted for always having a good luck toothpick in his mouth day or night, at the plate or in the field, and even after the games. Toothpick or not he was a superior player. Baseball-reference.com notes that Serrell hit .311/.366/.434 with 90 steals in 863 games in the Mexican League with just 171 strikeouts in 3,539 AB. He hit 66 triples, just missing the top 20 all-time through 2000.

            Sadly he never made it to the Big’s but played winter league ball in California and for the Yakima Bears and PCL Seals. Sadly his PCL years were near the end of this career, so his hitting and fielding skills were not at their peak, he batted less than .250 as the Seals were having one of their worst years the went 74-93 finishing 8th in the PCL. In 1951 the Seals were affiliated with the Yankees, and it was long-time manager Lefty O’Doul’s last season with the famed club. He was clearly a baseball man, and was selected as one of the few African American managers in the minors. He was player-manager for the Indios de Ciudad Juarez of the Mexico-Arizona league in the late 1950’s. He did not last the season as manager but continued as a player. A list of teams he played for include:

            • Kansas City Monarchs (1942-1945)
            • California Winter League (1944-1945)
            • Alijadores de Tampico (1945-1947)
            • Veracruz Azulez (1948)
            • San Luis Potosi Tuneros (1948)
            • Yakima Bears (1951)
            • San Francisco Seals (1951)
            • Monterry Sultanes (1957)
            • Tecolotes de Nuevo Laredo (1952-1957)
            • Indios de Ciudad Juárez (1957-58)

            The information on Serrell is incomplete, and although he played with many players such as with Jackie, Hank Thompson, Elston Howard, and Satchel Paige who broke the color barrier for numerous teams, he was never given the chance to do so; it’s one more of the great injustice that plagues the game’s history.

            Serrell was born in Natchez, Louisiana on March 9, 1920 and died in northern California in East Palo Alto on August 15, 1996, aged 76. During his baseball days he batted left and threw right handed.
            Put it in the books.

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            • #7
              I did read that. It was informative, but recall Brian Doyle raked in the 1978 WS and we have not gotten to nominating David Eckstein

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              • #8
                1. Bunny Serrell
                2. Dave Barnhill
                3. Juan Padron
                4. Jason Heyward
                5. Lorenzo Cain
                6. Mark Belanger
                7. Bob Welch
                8. Lonnie Smith
                9. Ray Lankford
                10. Al Orth
                11. Carney Lansford
                12. Kent Hrbek
                13. Justin Turner
                14. Jose Ramirez
                15. Francisco Lindor
                16. Bill Mazeroski
                17. Art Devlin
                18. Tom Candiotti
                19. George Kell
                20. Cecil Cooper
                21. Bill Bradley
                22. Chief Zimmer
                23. Dan Haren
                24. Harold Baines
                25. Mickey Vernon
                26. Herman Long
                27. Paul Derringer
                28. Bobby Murcer
                29. Aramis Ramirez
                30. Tony Pena
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                • #9
                  Deep group...

                  1. Juan Padron
                  2. Dave Barnhill
                  3. Bill Bradley
                  4. Aramis Ramirez
                  5. Bob Welch
                  6. Al Orth
                  7. Tony Pena
                  8. Barney Serrell
                  9. Art Devlin
                  10. Dan Haren
                  11. Justin Turner
                  12. Jose Ramirez
                  13. Ray Lankford
                  14. Bobby Murcer
                  15. Harold Baines
                  16. Francisco Lindor
                  17. Kent Hrbek
                  18. Chief Zimmer
                  19. Mark Belanger
                  20. Tom Candiotti
                  21. Cecil Cooper
                  22. Paul Derringer
                  23. Lonnie Smith
                  24. Jason Heyward
                  25. Lorenzo Cain
                  26. Herman Long
                  27. Bill Mazeroski
                  28. George Kell
                  29. Carney Lansford
                  30. Mickey Vernon
                  Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                  http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
                    1. Bunny Serrell
                    2. Dave Barnhill
                    Lol, good one! This isn't the first time you've pulled something like this. I'm not taking anything you have to say seriously anymore. You are the ultimate troll under the bridge here!
                    Last edited by jjpm74; 07-21-2021, 06:41 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                      I did read that. It was informative, but recall Brian Doyle raked in the 1978 WS and we have not gotten to nominating David Eckstein
                      I nominate Dusty Rhodes.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

                        Lol, good one! This isn't the first time you've pulled something like this. I'm not taking anything you have to say seriously anymore. You are the ultimate troll under the bridge here!
                        I guess you can't take anything I say seriously anymore either. How much of a troll am I?
                        Put it in the books.

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                        • #13
                          1. Bonnie Serrell
                          2. Dave Barnhill
                          3. Juan Padron
                          4. Al Orth
                          5. Chief Zimmer
                          6. Paul Derringer
                          7. Art Devlin
                          8. Tony Pena
                          9. Herman Long
                          10. Francisco Lindor
                          11. Jason Heyward
                          12. Lorenzo Cain
                          13. Bill Bradley
                          14. Mark Belanger
                          15. Tom Candiotti
                          16. Jose Ramirez
                          17. Justin Turner
                          18. Lonnie Smith
                          19. Dan Haren
                          20. George Kell
                          21. Ray Lankford
                          22. Carney Lansford
                          23. Bob Welch
                          24. Kent Hrbek
                          25. Cecil Cooper
                          26. Harold Baines
                          27. Mickey Vernon
                          28. Bill Mazeroski
                          29. Aramis Ramirez
                          30. Bobby Murcer

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                          • #14
                            Approaching the 4.5 day mark, bigron, dgarza, freakshow, fielding marshall, and toledo inquisition to go...any chance everyone will have a vote ready today, end of day tomorrow?
                            Happy Sunday!
                            Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                            http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                            • #15
                              1. Herman Long
                              2. Paul Derringer
                              3. George Kell
                              4. Mickey Vernon

                              5. Cecil Cooper
                              6. Tony Pena

                              7. Harold Baines
                              8. Bob Welch
                              9. Al Orth
                              10. Bill Mazeroski
                              11. Carney Lansford
                              12. Bill Bradley

                              13. Bobby Murcer
                              14. Aramis Ramirez
                              15. Chief Zimmer
                              16. Francisco Lindor
                              17. Art Devlin
                              18. Juan Padron

                              19. Mark Belanger
                              20. Jose Ramirez
                              21. Justin Turner 5
                              22. Dan Haren
                              23. Ray Lankford
                              24. Lorenzo Cain

                              25. Kent Hrbek
                              26. Lonnie Smith
                              27. Tom Candiotti
                              28. Jason Heyward

                              29. Dave Barnhill
                              30. Bonnie Serrell

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