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  • Greater Player: Honus Wagner or Babe Ruth?

    Bill James ranked Babe Ruth #1 of all time and Honus Wagner #2.

    Honus Wagner was an excellent defender and speedster on the base paths - neither of which Babe Ruth could claim.

    Babe Ruth had better offensive numbers but also faced a livelier ball than what Honus Wagner was up against. If Wagner played during Ruth's era many speculate that they would be neck and neck with offensive statistics.

    So who is the best player of all time?
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    Honus Wagner
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    Babe Ruth
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  • #2
    I'll choose "None of the Above" and say its Tyrus Cobb.
    Originally posted by Domenic
    The Yankees should see if Yogi Berra can still get behind the plate - he has ten World Series rings... he must be worth forty or fifty million a season.

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    • #3
      is this a joke???

      a 207 career OPS+ vs the second best shortstop ever behind Pop Lloyd?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by blackout805 View Post
        is this a joke???

        a 207 career OPS+ vs the second best shortstop ever behind Pop Lloyd?
        Did you mean....

        Is this a joke: Honus Wagner is the second best shortstop ever behind Pop Lloyd.

        If so, yes, it is a joke.
        Originally posted by Domenic
        The Yankees should see if Yogi Berra can still get behind the plate - he has ten World Series rings... he must be worth forty or fifty million a season.

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        • #5
          Hey, welcome to BBF.

          You'll find a huge majority will vote for Ruth. Ruth didn't play SS, but he actually was a good fielder, at least for the beginning of his career. Also, hitting is more important than fielding and baserunning. And Ruth dominated hitting like nobody else.
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          • #6
            The Rebel could hold his own.

            And welcome!

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            • #7
              Factor in Ruth has an excellent pitching record and its hard not to vote for him.

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              • #8
                IMO the greatest player ever is Ted Williams. The babe never hit .400.

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                • #9
                  Tyrus Raymond Cobb


                  But for the sake of this poll, I'm definitely going with Ruth.
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                  • #10
                    What if I want to vote Barry Bonds or Willie Mays? I'm not allowed to? How is Bill going to handle this poll?
                    Hey, this is my public apology for suddenly disappearing and missing out on any projects I may have neglected.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by frehleyscomet View Post
                      IMO the greatest player ever is Ted Williams. The babe never hit .400.
                      Batting average is suddenly important, let alone that important?


                      Ted Williams never got on-base at .540. Ted Williams never slugged .800.


                      So is Pete Browning better than Babe Ruth?
                      Hey, this is my public apology for suddenly disappearing and missing out on any projects I may have neglected.

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                      • #12
                        Gotta be the Babe. I dunno, Wagner was unlucky, because he did not have much documentation on his career, as Babe has had. To be totally honest with you, as discraceful as it is, some baseball fans Iknow have never even heard of Wagner, so I suppose, because I don't know a huge amount on his career and such, I willhave to go the one I know more about- Babe.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by philkid3 View Post
                          Batting average is suddenly important, let alone that important?


                          Ted Williams never got on-base at .540. Ted Williams never slugged .800.


                          So is Pete Browning better than Babe Ruth?

                          Has anyone hit .400 since Williams?

                          How many players hit 500 homers with a .340 or higher lifetime batting average?

                          Williams probably would have hit 650-700 homers if not for the war years.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by frehleyscomet View Post
                            Has anyone hit .400 since Williams?

                            How many players hit 500 homers with a .340 or higher lifetime batting average?

                            Williams probably would have hit 650-700 homers if not for the war years.
                            Ruth has 714 HRs with a .342 lifetime batting average.

                            He probably would have hit 850-900 homers if not for his pitching years.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                              Ruth has 714 HRs with a .342 lifetime batting average.

                              He probably would have hit 850-900 homers if not for his pitching years.
                              --I doubt it would have been 800. The 4 seasons he spent as a pitcher were in the deadball era. He'd have been doing great to hit 20 a year. It is also very possible he would not have been the same hitter had he come up as an outfielder. Managers almost certainly would have tried to "fix" that upper cut swing if they expected him to hit. As a pitcher nobody cared about his swing though.

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