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  • Tris Speaker Should Get Some Respect For '20

    In 1920, Tris Speaker hit .388 with a .483 OBP and scored 137 runs. As far as I know, he still was a top CFer. Spoke's big year was overshadowed by Ruth's big year and Sisler's .407, but he was still in the top 4 for BA, OBP, slugging, and OPS.
    IN ADDITION, he managed his team to a World Series win over Brooklyn, despite the death of his starting SS during the season after being HBP by Carl Mays in NYC.
    I argue that this is one of the top accomplishments in ML history. Hornsby had an off year at the plate when he managed the Cards to a WS win in '26 (not a bad year, just not good for him). Lou Boudreau had an outstanding year in '48 when he managed the Tribe to a WS win, probably just a notch below Spoke's '20, and Lou gets a lot of credit for that accomplishment.
    Did any other playing manager top Spoke in a year his team won the WS?
    "I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial

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    Speaker's 173 OPS+ in 1920 while leading his team to the WS title is certainly a big deal. Speaker is just one of the giants of the game. Easily one of the Top 15 players ever.

    Cap Anson could be mentioned at that level also. Three times he posted an OPS+ greater than 178 while leading his Cubs to the NL title (no world series in those days).
    Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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    • #3
      Speaker is certainly one of the most if not the most underrated all-time greats. Playing at exactly the same time and the same League as Ty Cobb will tend to do that.
      Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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      • #4
        Anson is a good one to mention...he's usually mentioned on BBF as a Jim Crow supporter, but he was also a tremendous ballplayer with a good managerial record.
        I think that he was the guy who called himself into the game from the dugout when a foul pop was coming his way, caught the ball, then called the regular fielder back into the game...this was when unlimited substitutions were allowed.
        "I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial

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        • #5
          Originally posted by hellborn View Post
          Anson is a good one to mention...he's usually mentioned on BBF as a Jim Crow supporter, but he was also a tremendous ballplayer with a good managerial record.
          I think that he was the guy who called himself into the game from the dugout when a foul pop was coming his way, caught the ball, then called the regular fielder back into the game...this was when unlimited substitutions were allowed.
          I think that was King Kelly.

          Yankees Fan Since 1957

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