Grove pitched 447 innings against the White Sox and Red Sox from 1928-1932. He went 45-8 with an ERA of 2.45. Worst two offensive teams, by far, in the American League during those years.
During the same years, his own clearly inferiour teammate, Rube Walberg, pitched only 266 innings against the White Sox and Red Sox and went 22-8 with an ERA of 3.15.
On the other hand, against the Yankees, same years, Grove pitched only 161 innings against the Yankees, going 10-10 with an ERA of 4.71.
Walberg pitched 214 innings against the Yankees, and went 11-11, with a 4.94 ERA.
When one looks harder...it is quite clear that Lefty Grove is incredibly overrated. The greatest pitcher of all time, or very close to it, would not have a record like Grove and Walberg had, same years, same team. Grove would be beating the best teams far more than the second or third best pitcher on the team, not vice versa.
Most of Grove's legacy rests on his (ostensibly) unbelievable peak. However, it wasn't nearly as impressive as his ERA+ or WAR (or any other omni metric) would lead one to believe.
And, Rube Walberg and Lefty Grove prove ERA+ is useless without looking deeper.
During the same years, his own clearly inferiour teammate, Rube Walberg, pitched only 266 innings against the White Sox and Red Sox and went 22-8 with an ERA of 3.15.
On the other hand, against the Yankees, same years, Grove pitched only 161 innings against the Yankees, going 10-10 with an ERA of 4.71.
Walberg pitched 214 innings against the Yankees, and went 11-11, with a 4.94 ERA.
When one looks harder...it is quite clear that Lefty Grove is incredibly overrated. The greatest pitcher of all time, or very close to it, would not have a record like Grove and Walberg had, same years, same team. Grove would be beating the best teams far more than the second or third best pitcher on the team, not vice versa.
Most of Grove's legacy rests on his (ostensibly) unbelievable peak. However, it wasn't nearly as impressive as his ERA+ or WAR (or any other omni metric) would lead one to believe.
And, Rube Walberg and Lefty Grove prove ERA+ is useless without looking deeper.
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