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    All-time Chicago team

    So what do you guys think? This is carrying over from the all-time New York team thread. Who were the very best in Chicago? You can choose from the Cubs and the White Sox.

    C Carlton Fisk
    1B Mark Grace
    2B Ryne Sandberg
    3B Ron Santo
    SS Luke Appling
    LF Billy Williams
    CF Hack Wilson
    RF Andre Dawson
    DH* Frank Thomas

    * = If needed

    Bench
    1B/SS Ernie Banks
    2B Nellie Fox
    SS Luis Aparicio
    OF Joe Jackson
    LF/3B Minnie Minoso
    OF/DH Harold Baines



    Starting Rotation
    Ferguson Jenkins
    Hippo Vaughn
    Mordecai Brown
    Red Faber
    Ted Lyons

    Bullpen
    Lee Smith
    Bobby Thigpen
    Bruce Sutter
    Ed Walsh**

    ** = Spot Starter


    I'm kinda stuck on the bullpen, so any help is needed there.
    Last edited by Knick9; 02-26-2008, 03:04 PM.
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    Bullpen, I'd consider Bobby Thigpen
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    • #3
      I knew I missed somebody. Thigpen is one of them.

      As for my lineup, this can be debated:

      1) SS Appling
      2) 2B Sandberg
      3) LF Williams
      4) DH Thomas
      5) 3B Santo
      6) CF Wilson
      7) C Fisk
      8) 1B Grace
      9) RF Dawson

      ...Williams and Wilson can easily swap positions in this lineup. Sandberg batting second makes so much sense. You have good punch in the lineup even at the 6-7-8 spots. This is a very good starting nine to have.
      Last edited by Knick9; 02-26-2008, 03:10 PM.
      My Top 4 funniest BBF posts ever:

      1) "plZ dOn;t' pOsT LikE tHIs n e mOr!"

      2) "The teams play 1962 games in 180 days."

      3) "Stadiums don't move silly, people do."

      4) "Once again you quibble, because it is I who speaks."

      5) Almost anything RuthMayBond says...

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      • #4
        1. I think that you need to replace either Banks or Baines with Frank Thomas.
        2. I'd take Maddux over Ferguson Jenkins.
        3. Bullpen: add Bruce Sutter, Bobby Thigpen, Kerry Wood, Dennis Eckersley and Jack McDowell.

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        • #5
          I just can't keep Ernie off of this team. There are 3 shortstops on the team, so one of them will not be a starter. Aparicio is the odd man out. Appling is too solid, so I put him at shortstop. Ernie's second most played position is first base, so I could put him there.

          Harold Baines was a good DH. Tough to choose between him and Frank.
          Last edited by Knick9; 02-25-2008, 10:11 AM.
          My Top 4 funniest BBF posts ever:

          1) "plZ dOn;t' pOsT LikE tHIs n e mOr!"

          2) "The teams play 1962 games in 180 days."

          3) "Stadiums don't move silly, people do."

          4) "Once again you quibble, because it is I who speaks."

          5) Almost anything RuthMayBond says...

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          • #6
            Where's Cap Anson? Rogers Hornsby?
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Knick9 View Post
              Harold Baines was a good DH. Tough to choose between him and Frank.
              I don't see how Harold Baines is in the same galaxy as Frank Thomas.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                Where's Cap Anson? Rogers Hornsby?
                Anson's off my team because of his ego and his off-the-field issues. While Hornsby had a good stint with the Cubs for 4 years, you have to look at the whole body of work. The players I listed played longer than 4 years in Chicago, even Minoso.
                Last edited by Knick9; 02-25-2008, 10:15 AM.
                My Top 4 funniest BBF posts ever:

                1) "plZ dOn;t' pOsT LikE tHIs n e mOr!"

                2) "The teams play 1962 games in 180 days."

                3) "Stadiums don't move silly, people do."

                4) "Once again you quibble, because it is I who speaks."

                5) Almost anything RuthMayBond says...

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                • #9
                  All Time Cubs Team:

                  C: Gabby Hartnett
                  1B: Mark Grace
                  2B: Ryne Sandberg
                  SS: Ernie Banks
                  3B: Ron Santo
                  LF: Billy Williams
                  CF: Hack Wilson
                  RF: Sammy Sosa
                  SP: Mordecai Brown
                  SP: Ferguson Jenkins
                  SP: Hippo Vaughn
                  SP: Pete Alexander
                  SP: Greg Maddux
                  RP: Bruce Sutter
                  RP: Lee Smith
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Knick9 View Post
                    I knew I missed somebody. Thigpen is one of them.

                    As for my lineup, this can be debated:

                    1) SS Appling
                    2) LF Williams
                    3) 2B Sandberg
                    4) 1B Grace
                    5) 3B Santo
                    6) DH Baines
                    7) C Fisk
                    8) RF Dawson
                    9) CF Wilson

                    ...Williams and Wilson can easily swap positions in this lineup. Sandberg batting third makes so much sense. You have good punch in the lineup even at the 6-7-8 spots. This is a very good starting nine to have.
                    I'd bat Sandberg second, Williams third, Wilson fourth (the man does hold the MLB single season record for RBIs).


                    Bob

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                    • #11
                      Are you clear about the difference between Thomas and Baines?
                      Thomas had an OBP of .421 and a SLG of .561 for his career.
                      The numbers for Baines are .356 and .465. Some people would
                      have Thomas close to their best team ever for the whole
                      of baseball, and you won't have him on one with only two
                      of the historically quite mediocre teams. It does not make
                      sense.

                      I assume that you excluded Sosa because of his steroids and
                      "attitude" like the Cap Anson example. There's not a doubt
                      that his production surpasses Dawson by far. He had some of
                      the very best seasons in club history.

                      Minoso versus Williams is probably very close.

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                      • #12
                        Don't forget the Chicago American Giants who had such players as John Henry "Pop" Lloyd.
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hawk View Post
                          Are you clear about the difference between Thomas and Baines?
                          Thomas had an OBP of .421 and a SLG of .561 for his career.
                          The numbers for Baines are .356 and .465. Some people would
                          have Thomas close to their best team ever for the whole
                          of baseball, and you won't have him on one with only two
                          of the historically quite mediocre teams. It does not make
                          sense.

                          I assume that you excluded Sosa because of his steroids and
                          "attitude" like the Cap Anson example. There's not a doubt
                          that his production surpasses Dawson by far. He had some of
                          the very best seasons in club history.

                          Minoso versus Williams is probably very close.
                          Hawk, don't be so pushy. Sosa is off my team for obvious reasons, like you pointed out. He had some of the very best seasons in club history with some help. That doesn't make it legit, especially if you compare with the others listed.

                          I guess you got me on Thomas. Okay...
                          Last edited by Knick9; 02-26-2008, 03:07 PM.
                          My Top 4 funniest BBF posts ever:

                          1) "plZ dOn;t' pOsT LikE tHIs n e mOr!"

                          2) "The teams play 1962 games in 180 days."

                          3) "Stadiums don't move silly, people do."

                          4) "Once again you quibble, because it is I who speaks."

                          5) Almost anything RuthMayBond says...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Knick9 View Post
                            I knew I missed somebody. Thigpen is one of them.

                            As for my lineup, this can be debated:

                            1) SS Appling
                            2) 2B Sandberg
                            3) LF Williams
                            4) DH Thomas
                            5) 3B Santo
                            6) CF Wilson
                            7) C Fisk
                            8) 1B Grace
                            9) RF Dawson

                            ...Williams and Wilson can easily swap positions in this lineup. Sandberg batting second makes so much sense. You have good punch in the lineup even at the 6-7-8 spots. This is a very good starting nine to have.
                            Here's my changed lineup, in case you were wondering.

                            Still pretty solid. You got some home run pop, obviously. You need to get on base, though, and I think Appling, Williams and Wilson provide that.
                            My Top 4 funniest BBF posts ever:

                            1) "plZ dOn;t' pOsT LikE tHIs n e mOr!"

                            2) "The teams play 1962 games in 180 days."

                            3) "Stadiums don't move silly, people do."

                            4) "Once again you quibble, because it is I who speaks."

                            5) Almost anything RuthMayBond says...

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