Their names are always mentioned together, yet I have never seen a poll before. Both have been accused of taking PED's, so that shouldn't be an issue when comparing the two (unless you believe one is innocent while the other is guilty). So who's the better player?
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Mark McGwire vs. Sammy Sosa
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Mark McGwire vs. Sammy Sosa
12Mark McGwire66.67%8Sammy Sosa33.33%4Last edited by White Knight; 02-27-2008, 05:24 PM.Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!Tags: None
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Originally posted by OleMissCub View PostObviously I'm biased, but I'd go with Sosa over Big Mac.
No doubt the metrics would show that Big Mac was more valuable, but Sammy seems more well-rounded as a player.
I could go either way actually.Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!
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Originally posted by White Knight View PostLet's compare their top five years. Sammy hit for a higher average during their best. They were both elite in HR's, with Mac having the slight edge. Mac had the better OBP. Now, take away their best five, and Mac clearly wins. He has always been consistant, even in his last year he had 29 HR's and just 299 AB's. Could have easily held out one more year and retired with 600. He was always a consistant power hitter. Sosa has just had too many bad years, and aged terribly. For all of that, I'll go with Mac.
Mac at 37: .187/.316/.492, 29 HR, 64 RBI, 105 OPS+
Sosa at 38: .252/.311/.468, 21 HR, 92 RBI, 102 OPS+sigpic
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Originally posted by OleMissCub View PostSosa aged terribly compared to Mac? It looks like they are doing about the same thing at comparable ages.
Mac at 37: .187/.316/.492, 29 HR, 64 RBI, 105 OPS+
Sosa at 38: .252/.311/.468, 21 HR, 92 RBI, 102 OPS+
So, I stand by my comments. Mac aged wonderful. Still a mega-power hitter until the day he retired. Not so with Sosa. He went downhill in his mid 30's. Mac could have and should have played a few more years. If he had held out until 2005 he could have retired with 850 HR's.Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!
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Originally posted by White Knight View PostThose 29 HR's came in just 299 at-bats. That's good for a whopping one HR every 10.3 AB's. 64 RBI's are good for those at-bats too. The year before that, he hit 32 HR, with just 236 at-bats (good for an amazing one HR ever 7.4 at-bats!). And of course, everything he did before that is legendary. Now with Sosa, he was good for one HR every 19.6 at-bats. The seson before, he didn't play. The season before that it was 27.1. Before that it was 13.7, and 12.9 before that.
So, I stand by my comments. Mac aged wonderful. Still a mega-power hitter until the day he retired. Not so with Sosa. He went downhill in his mid 30's. Mac could have and should have played a few more years. If he had held out until 2005 he could have retired with 850 HR's.sigpic
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Originally posted by White Knight View PostThose 29 HR's came in just 299 at-bats. That's good for a whopping one HR every 10.3 AB's. 64 RBI's are good for those at-bats too. The year before that, he hit 32 HR, with just 236 at-bats (good for an amazing one HR ever 7.4 at-bats!). And of course, everything he did before that is legendary. Now with Sosa, he was good for one HR every 19.6 at-bats. The seson before, he didn't play. The season before that it was 27.1. Before that it was 13.7, and 12.9 before that.
So, I stand by my comments. Mac aged wonderful. Still a mega-power hitter until the day he retired. Not so with Sosa. He went downhill in his mid 30's. Mac could have and should have played a few more years. If he had held out until 2005 he could have retired with 850 HR's.
850? Come on. He could have hit a few more, and POSSIBLY even stretched it to 700, but even that was stretching it.
267 HR in 4 years? I think not... not even in 8 or 10.
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Originally posted by Edgartohof View PostI guess if he hit 67 HR/season for 4 years he could have...
850? Come on. He could have hit a few more, and POSSIBLY even stretched it to 700, but even that was stretching it.
267 HR in 4 years? I think not... not even in 8 or 10.
No, Mac would not have retired with 850 if he quit in 2005, I said that off the top of my head. But, he easily could have averaged 40 each year, if he could stay healthy. Even unhealthy, as in 2000 and 2001, his AB to HR ratio was phenonimal.
Now, if he could have held out until last season...Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!
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Originally posted by OleMissCub View PostSounds like you created this poll with a pretty good idea of what your correct answer would be.Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!
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I just don't understand this stuff about McGwire aging well and ending his career still in good condition, etc. McGwire was injury prone for a good portion of his career and in the end had to retire because his body was in such bad shape. I mean, Mac had 4 doubles his final year. 4! That tells me that the guy could barely move by that point.sigpic
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Originally posted by OleMissCub View PostI just don't understand this stuff about McGwire aging well and ending his career still in good condition, etc. McGwire was injury prone for a good portion of his career and in the end had to retire because his body was in such bad shape. I mean, Mac had 4 doubles his final year. 4! That tells me that the guy could barely move by that point.Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!
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Originally posted by White Knight View PostLike I said, even with injuries and in severe pain, Mac's last two years he hit one HR every 7.4 and 10.3 AB's. That's amazing, and something Sosa couldn't do in his last several years. No one retired with anything near that HR/AB ratio. Even Ruth's final three years his ratio was 16.6 and 12.0. Awesome anyway, but still not like Mac's.sigpic
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