Lots of Great Players But No Championships

[parlo]

A team with a collection of great players at one time that still didnt win it all. Plenty of Red Sox teams come to mind.

Or how about the 1960s Giants.... Mays, McCovey, Cepeda and Marichal

[EdTarbusz]

The Indians at the end of the 20th century, especially 1995.

[parlo]

The Indians at the end of the 20th century, especially 1995.

Yeah,,,But....
Theres not a collection of future HOFers on those teams

[Honus Wagner Rules]

All-Time "No Championship" team

C-Carlton Fisk
1B-Jeff Bagwell
2B-Nap Lajoie
3B-Ron Santo
SS-A-Rod
RF-Tony Gwynn
CF-Ken Griffey Jr
LF-Barry Bonds
DH-Ted Williams

Bench
Mike Piazza
Billy Williams
Ryne Sandberg
Bobby Bonds
Al Rosen
Willie McCovey
Ernie Banks

SP-Fergie Jenkins
SP-Gaylord Perry
SP-Phil Niekro
SP-Robin Roberts
SP-Juan Marichal

RP-Trevor Hoffman
RP-Elroy Face
RP-Lee Smith
RP-John Franco
RP-Billy Wagner

[EdTarbusz]

DH-Ted Williams

Ted Williams never appeared as a DH. He'd have a better claim to appear as a pitcher on your team.

Also, Al Rosen was a member of the 1948 Indians. He was a late season call-up, but he appeared in the 1948 World Series.

Elroy Face was a member of the 1960 Pirates.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Ted Williams never appeared as a DH. He'd have a better claim to appear as a pitcher on your team.

On my team he is the DH.

Also, Al Rosen was a member of the 1948 Indians. He was a late season call-up, but he appeared in the 1948 World Series.

Elroy Face was a member of the 1960 Pirates.

I messed up on these two. I'll can replace them with Freddie Lindstrom and Dave Righetti...

[Captain Cold Nose]

Yeah,,,But....
Theres not a collection of future HOFers on those teams

Murray and Winfield are in (albeit not for what they did with Cleveland). Ramirez will get in. Vizquel and Thome have shots. Belle could have gotten in if he had more a career or if he had a better disposition.

That's pretty solid.

[frehleyscomet]

All-Time "No Championship" team

C-Carlton Fisk
1B-Jeff Bagwell
2B-Nap Lajoie
3B-Ron Santo
SS-A-Rod
RF-Tony Gwynn
CF-Ken Griffey Jr
LF-Barry Bonds
DH-Ted Williams

Bench
Mike Piazza
Billy Williams
Ryne Sandberg
Bobby Bonds
Al Rosen
Willie McCovey
Ernie Banks

SP-Fergie Jenkins
SP-Gaylord Perry
SP-Phil Niekro
SP-Robin Roberts
SP-Juan Marichal

RP-Trevor Hoffman
RP-Elroy Face
RP-Lee Smith
RP-John Franco
RP-Billy Wagner

Carl Yastrzemski comes to mind.

[parlo]

Murray and Winfield are in (albeit not for what they did with Cleveland). Ramirez will get in. Vizquel and Thome have shots. Belle could have gotten in if he had more a career or if he had a better disposition.

That's pretty solid.

You are right.
I forgot about how different the 95 team was from the 97 team.

[EdTarbusz]

You are right.
I forgot about how different the 95 team was from the 97 team.

The 97 Indians were by far the worst Indians team of the 1995-99 era.

[philkid3]

Yeah,,,But....
Theres not a collection of future HOFers on those teams

Robbie Alomar, Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome and many would argue Albert Belle. I won't be surprised if Omar Vizquel manages to sneak in. Sure there is.

And with the Giants, it's widely argued that Orlando Cepeda shouldn't be in. The Hall of Fame isn't necessarily the best reference here.


That said, when I think of best collections of talent to not win, I do think of the 60s Giants. But you shouldn't be dismissive of the late '90s Indians. They're a very, very reasonable answer.

[parlo]

How about the Mariners in the late 90s.

Randy Johnson
Griffey
ARod
Edgar Martinez

[philkid3]

How about the Mariners in the late 90s.

Randy Johnson
Griffey
ARod
Edgar Martinez

With the Mariners it extends in to the early decade. The team got better and the cast changed, with more very good players and fewer great players, but still, to those four names you can also add Ichiro Suzuki and John Olerud.

It's not necessarily due to the stars, but the 2000-02 Mariners are one of the best teams ever assembled to not even win a pennant.

[frehleyscomet]

How about the Mariners in the late 90s.

Randy Johnson
Griffey
ARod
Edgar Martinez

Yep.

How about the 2001 Mariners that went 116-46.

[parlo]

late 60s Cubs

Santo
Fergie
Banks
Williams