Best Season Of The Following

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2007 Magglio Ordonez .363/.434/.595 54 doubles 28 HR 139 RBI 117 Runs 167 OPS+

1996 Gary Sheffield .314/.465/.624 33 doubles 1 triple 42 HR 120 RBI 118 Runs 189 OPS+

1932 Babe Ruth .341/.489/.661 13 doubles 5 triples 41 HR 137 RBI 120 Runs 201 OPS+

1962 Willie Mays .304/.384/.615 36 doubles 5 triples 49 HR 141 RBI 130 Runs 165 OPS+

1994 Jeff Bagwell .368/.451/.750 32 doubles 2 triples 39 HR 116 RBI 104 Runs 216 OPS+

1999 Manny Ramirez .333/.442/.662 34 doubles 3 triples 44 HR 165 RBI 131 Runs 173 OPS+

[Sultan_1895-1948]

Keep in mind the ages:

37 - Ruth
33 - Magglio
31 - Mays
27 - Sheffield
27 - ManRam
26 - Bagwell

[philkid3]

Interesting collection, but even in a strike shortened year, Bagwell. Pretty easily, too.

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i went with Manny because of his production, 165 RBI in 147 games thats alot

[Sultan_1895-1948]

i went with Manny because of his production, 165 RBI in 147 games thats alot

That is a lot. Very impressive. The Indians scored the most runs in the league that year though, by a good margin, so does that take away from 165 a bit? That lineup was just a sick mixture of power and speed.

[csh19792001]

That is a lot. Very impressive. The Indians scored the most runs in the league that year though, by a good margin, so does that take away from 165 a bit?

A bit. Manny had 507 runners on base that year in front of him, as opposed to the league average of 411. Then again, the league average player would have only been expected to drive in 79 runs vs. his 165.

I really believe the AL of the late 90's and first couple years this decade was the closest thing to that of the 20's and 30's we've seen. The Cleveland Indians scored over 1000 runs in 1999, and the entire league averaged 5.18 runs- which is very much like the Ruth era. It was vastly more difficult from the 50's through the 80's for someone to drive in 165 runs because of the offensive context. Hank Aaron had 400 total bases in 1959, 223 hits, and 92 XBH, but drove in only 123 runs because there were only 423 guys on base ahead of him that year.

Put Hank or Willie in Gehrig's spot in the lineup in their primes and they would have been driving in 150 a year, as Lou did. And vice versa.

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That is a lot. Very impressive. The Indians scored the most runs in the league that year though, by a good margin, so does that take away from 165 a bit? That lineup was just a sick mixture of power and speed.

alex had a better lineup and didn't get to 165 in 2007

[philkid3]

alex had a better lineup and didn't get to 165 in 2007

Based on what? A-Rod's team didn't have the better on-base percentage. They also did not score more runs. It's somewhat close, but what makes A-Rod's lineup better, let alone enough better to make a difference in this argument?


A-Rod did actually come up with men on more often, but Manny came up with runners in scoring position more often (and had better baserunners in front of him).


So A-Rod did not necessarily have a better line-up, least not for these purposes, and did not have noticibly better or worse chances at RBIs. Beyond that, Manny had a slightly better OPS, so wouldn't having more RBIs make some sense, all things considered?


And, finally and most importantly, Manny had NINE (9) more RBIs. Just nine. That's it. Nine. Over 162 games a difference of 5.4% is noteworthy?


I don't get what your point is here.

[nyykan_t]

Best season 1994 Jeff Bagwell
Most impressive season 1932 Babe Ruth

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Based on what? A-Rod's team didn't have the better on-base percentage. They also did not score more runs. It's somewhat close, but what makes A-Rod's lineup better, let alone enough better to make a difference in this argument?


A-Rod did actually come up with men on more often, but Manny came up with runners in scoring position more often (and had better baserunners in front of him).


So A-Rod did not necessarily have a better line-up, least not for these purposes, and did not have noticibly better or worse chances at RBIs. Beyond that, Manny had a slightly better OPS, so wouldn't having more RBIs make some sense, all things considered?


And, finally and most importantly, Manny had NINE (9) more RBIs. Just nine. That's it. Nine. Over 162 games a difference of 5.4% is noteworthy?


I don't get what your point is here.

yankees 07 .290/.366/.463, 117 OPS+ (all highest in league)

indians 99: .289/.372/.467, 110 OPS+ (only OBP was #1)

[philkid3]

yankees 07 .290/.366/.463, 117 OPS+ (all highest in league)

indians 99: .289/.372/.467, 110 OPS+ (only OBP was #1)

Still not really sure what the point is. And the OBP being higher is the most relevent to this discussion.

And, as said, Manny had players in scoring position more often. And the difference is NINE RBI, so this all seems sort've meaningless one way or the other.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

alex had a better lineup and didn't get to 165 in 2007

Not sure where Alex fits into a discussion about ManRam and his 165. I think what Manny did that year was incredible. My only questions for you, are...given that Manny was the expected RBI guy on the highest scoring team, does that in any way, detract from 165 in your mind. Apparently the answer is no. And with regard to this poll question, shouldn't the age of the player factor in?

Speaking of Arod. Even though his walk totals are horrible for his career (100 just once...and I mean literally 100), it's good to see that he took 95 while striking out 19 fewer times than the last couple years. Hopefully, as he ages, he'll improve that even more and not become the all-time whiff king.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

Put Hank or Willie in Gehrig's spot in the lineup in their primes and they would have been driving in 150 a year, as Lou did. And vice versa.

That is interesting. My first thought would be that with a righty coming up behind Ruth, even with that righty being Willie or Hankie, pitchers would pass Ruth even more and they would have even more shots than Lou got. But then they face a righty/righty matchup more often and have to hit in spacious Yankee stadium. Maybe the factors cancel eachother out to a degree...I'd guess either of those guys would have averaged 140-145 RBI.

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willie mays wouldve been intimidated by the bambino's greatness

[leecemark]

--Care to explain that comment? It makes no sense to me.