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  • Best season of the following - 2nd base edition

    Rogers Hornsby 1925: .403/.489/.756 41 doubles 10 triples 39 HR 143 RBI 133 runs 210 OPS+

    Nap Lajoie 1901: .426/.463/.643 48 doubles 14 triples 14 HR 125 RBI 145 runs 200 OPS+

    Joe Morgan 1976: .320/.444/.576 30 doubles 5 triples 27 HR 111 RBI 113 runs 187 OPS+

    Rod Carew 1977: .388/.449/.570 38 doubles 16 triples 14 HR 100 RBI 128 runs 178 OPS+

    Jeff KEnt 2000: .334/.424/.596 41 doubles 7 triples 33 HR 125 RBI 114 Runs 162 OPS+

    Bret Boone 2001: .331/.372/.578 37 doubles 3 triples 37 HR 141 RBI 118 runs 153 OPS+

    Eddie Collins 1920 .372/.438/.493 38 doubles 13 triples 3 HR 76 RBI 117 runs 146 OPS+

    Craig Biggio 1997: .309/.415/.501 37 doubles 8 triples 22 HR 81 RBI 146 runs 143 OPS+

    Charlie Gehringer 1936: .354/.431/.555 60 doubles 12 triples 15 HR 116 RBI 144 runs 142 OPS+

    Ryne Sandberg 1990: .306/.354/.559 30 doubles 3 triples 40 HR 100 RBI 116 runs 140 OPS+
    21
    Rogers Hornsby
    76.19%
    16
    Nap Lajoie
    9.52%
    2
    Joe Morgan
    14.29%
    3
    Rod Carew
    0.00%
    0
    Jeff Kent
    0.00%
    0
    Bret Boone
    0.00%
    0
    Eddie Collins
    0.00%
    0
    Craig Biggio
    0.00%
    0
    Charlie Gehringer
    0.00%
    0
    Ryne Sandberg
    0.00%
    0

  • #2
    i know Eddie Collins may have had better seasons but i think that was his best year

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    • #3
      Hornsby's overall numbers standout by a wide margin.

      Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
      Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

      Holy Cow

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      • #4
        1. Rogers Hornsby 1925
        2. Rogers Hornsby 1922
        3. Rogers Hornsby 1924
        4. Rogers Hornsby 1929
        5. Napoleon Lajoie 1901
        6. Ross Barnes 1876
        7. Rogers Hornsby 1928
        8. Fred Dunlap 1884
        9. Craig Biggio 1997
        10. Alfonso Soriano 2002

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        • #5
          i contemplated putting Ross Barnes on the list but figured it was best not to.

          back then if it went out of bounds and came back in the field it was a hit hahaha

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          • #6
            Even though I prefer Hornsby's career, Morgan's 187 OPS+ was virtually equal to Hornsby's 210, with Morgan's 60 steals, and what was the best base-running in the game and was a legitimate gold glove contender while I doubt Hornsby would have played second by the '50s. And some would argue tht Morgan's '75 was better.

            And I would not consider '20 to be Collin's best year. '09 and '14 were is best by FAR, and using defensive metrics, '09 was probably the best.
            Last edited by brett; 03-16-2008, 01:39 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by blackout805 View Post
              i contemplated putting Ross Barnes on the list but figured it was best not to.

              back then if it went out of bounds and came back in the field it was a hit hahaha
              You play under the rules of the day, right? Are we gonna kick Ed Walsh out of the HOF for being a spitballer? Barnes had one of the greatest years ever, and considering he led the league in doubles, triples, slugging, and walks (as well as batting and OPS+), I don't think he was as one dimensional as your post seems to (whether intentionally or not) indicate and did not live or die by the foul bound.
              "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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              • #8
                Rogers' 1922 season was statistically his most productive offensive season, IMHO.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by blackout805 View Post
                  i contemplated putting Ross Barnes on the list but figured it was best not to.
                  Well, putting Barnes on the list would have also made putting Fred Dunlap on the list a good choice too.

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                  • #10
                    Is this just offensively, or as overall players?
                    "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                    - Alvin Dark

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                    • #11
                      Offensively, I'd go with Hornsby in 1924. Overall, it's a tough call between Hornsby '24, Hornsby '22, and Morgan '75.

                      Also, Rod Carew played first base in 1977.
                      Last edited by AstrosFan; 03-16-2008, 05:49 PM.
                      "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                      - Alvin Dark

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                      • #12
                        i chose 25 because of his OBP and slugging both being so large

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                          Well, putting Barnes on the list would have also made putting Fred Dunlap on the list a good choice too.
                          --Only if we are including the best minor league seasons. The Union Association was not as go a league as many of the best minor leagues. It is only a terrible misinterpretaion of history that considered that league a major. The National Association was at least the best league of its time, while the UA was at best a distant third.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by blackout805 View Post
                            i chose 25 because of his OBP and slugging both being so large
                            But relative to the league, the rate numbers were better in 1924, and he had more PA.
                            "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                            - Alvin Dark

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                            • #15
                              --There have been 4 secondbasemen who have had seasons where they were the best hitter in baseball (at least according to OPS+). Ross Barnes in 1872-3 and 1876. There are some obvious league quality issues there, but still you have to be impressed by that kind of dominating bat from a middle infielder. Nap Lajoie did it in 1901 and 1903-4. The first one was an expansion league, but the next two certainly were higher quality than Barnes. Rogers Hornsby's great run was next. He was the MLB leader in OPS+ in 1922 and 1924-25. Half a century passed and 2B moved up a notch on the defensive spectrum before another secondbaseman achieved the feat - Joe Morgan in 1975-76.
                              --I think it has to come down to Hornsby and Morgan. Hornsby was a little more dominating and led one additional time. OTOH Hornsby's leagues were quite as hard to dominate. Not only were they still developing farm systems they deliberately excluded a number of great players. Morgan was also better with the glove and much more of a force on the bathpaths.

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