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  • Where does Bret Boone stand now?

    Well, since Seattle's once awesome fielding and hitting second baseman Bret Boone has retired what is your take on him now?

    I think Boone was one of the best ever, regardless of his decline and problems. Personally, I would have liked to watch him compete in NY for the job with Kaz Matsui. Where does he rank in your list? He makes my top 10 2B list.
    Cristobal

  • #2
    Why do you think he retired?
    Because he no longer had any ability or was tired, or had he just had enough of playing ball?

    All of the above would be a correct answer.
    Last edited by wilkerson_rulz-06; 03-02-2006, 07:25 AM.
    Cristobal

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wilkerson_rulz
      Can a mod please edit my title, I put soes instead of does.
      Thanks.
      Done.
      He had a good couple year run in an absolute offensive boom era. The guy always had the potential, but he had, at times a horrible attitude, especially in Cincinnati.
      There have been many second basemen who had far better careers who the HOF voters didn't take too kindly to.
      Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
      Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
      Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
      Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
      Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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      • #4
        Unfortunately (because I really liked the guy, even in Cincy), I have to think he was on the juice. He just fell off the table too quickly, and after jumping up there just as quickly too. In Cincinnati he was an excellent defensive player with a little pop and a little speed, good smart baserunner. Back in Seattle, he bacame a freak...hitting monster shots out of his 170 pound frame. Of course, his 2001 season is an all time great fluke year too....his .331 average that year is about 65 points better than his career average. I have him at 16 among second basemen, and I suspect that might be high for this forum.

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        • #5
          I enjoyed watching Boone play for the Mariners... always got a chuckle out of that little bat flip he did after smacking a home run, and he was great fielding 2nd baseman. Whatever happened to him between '94 and '01? That should have been the prime of a great career, but instead, he forgot how to hit for six years.
          "The numbers are what brought me here; as it appears they brought you."
          - Danielle Rousseau

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          • #6
            --I really enjoyed watching Boone play too. I probably saw 80-90% of the Mariners games in 2001 and for my money Boone, not Ichiro, deserved the MVP that season. That said, he probably was juiced, he definately isn't one of the top 10 2B of all time and he hasn't got a prayer of making the Hall off Fame.

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            • #7
              On whole I have him on the negative side of the ledger. He had two great season, two good seasons, and 10 pretty weak ones. He doesn't crack my top 20 by a long shot.
              Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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              • #8
                --That's what everyone thinks, just because a star player becomes, excuse me, crap, does NOT mean he was on juice.

                I've been trying to make everyone understand that for a while now...
                Wonder if I ever wil;?
                Cristobal

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wilkerson_rulz
                  Well, since Seattle's once awesome fielding and hitting second baseman Bret Boone has retired what is your take on him now?

                  I think Boone was one of the best ever, regardless of his decline and problems. Personally, I would have liked to watch him compete in NY for the job with Kaz Matsui. Where does he rank in your list? He makes my top 10 2B list.
                  Rod Carew
                  Eddie Collins
                  Bobby Doerr
                  Johnny Evers
                  Nellie Fox
                  Frankie Frisch
                  Charlie Gehringer
                  Billy Herman
                  Rogers Hornsby
                  Nap Lajoie
                  Tony Lazzeri
                  Bill Mazeroski
                  Bid McPhee
                  Joe Morgan
                  Jackie Robinson
                  Ryne Sandberg
                  Red Schoendienst

                  Craig Biggio
                  Jeff Kent
                  Alfonso Soriano

                  Lou Whitaker
                  Randy Velarde

                  In your opinion, which of the past, present and HoF 2d basemen is Boone better than to make your top 10? Just curious, no criticism involved!

                  Maybe not at the bat, but perhaps his dad was a better catcher than Bret was 2d basemen?? Just a question!
                  Last edited by Tigerfan1974; 03-02-2006, 08:39 AM.
                  1968 and 1984, the greatest ever.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tigerfan1974
                    Rod Carew
                    Eddie Collins
                    Bobby Doerr
                    Johnny Evers
                    Nellie Fox
                    Frankie Frisch
                    Charlie Gehringer
                    Billy Herman
                    Rogers Hornsby
                    Nap Lajoie
                    Tony Lazzeri
                    Bill Mazeroski
                    Bid McPhee
                    Joe Morgan
                    Jackie Robinson
                    Ryne Sandberg
                    Red Schoendienst

                    Craig Biggio
                    Jeff Kent
                    Alfonso Soriano

                    Lou Whitake
                    Randy Velarde
                    Dave Concepcion

                    In your opinion, which of the past, present and HoF 2d basemen is Boone better than to make your top 10? Just curious, no criticism involved!

                    Maybe not at the bat, but perhaps his dad was a better catcher than Bret was 2d basement?? Just a question!
                    I will get back to you on that.
                    Cristobal

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                    • #11
                      Randy Velarde??????
                      And Concepcion was a SS.

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                      • #12
                        I have long been extremely suspicious that Boone was juicing. The guy put up very consisent, and fairly unspectacular numbers for 8 years, with the occasional blip here and there. But then at age 32, after 8 years of consistently lower production, he begins a three year stretch that rivals the offensive production of most any 2Bman in history. So that's suspicious. And then when steroids testing is implemented, his game completely falls off the map. That definitely added to the suspicion. Also, Canseco mentions Boone in his book. Of course, considering the source, that might not mean too much. But I tend to think Canseco is scummy enough to actually be telling the truth on these things - he doesn't care if he's ratting people out.

                        I have Boone outside of my top 30 2Bman, probably in the 30-35 range, and without a chance whatsoever of making the Hall.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by baseballPAP
                          Randy Velarde??????
                          And Concepcion was a SS.
                          Your right, my bad on Concepcion.
                          List edited.
                          1968 and 1984, the greatest ever.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DoubleX
                            I have long been extremely suspicious that Boone was juicing. The guy put up very consisent, and fairly unspectacular numbers for 8 years, with the occasional blip here and there. But then at age 32, after 8 years of consistently lower production, he begins a three year stretch that rivals the offensive production of most any 2Bman in history. So that's suspicious. And then when steroids testing is implemented, his game completely falls off the map. That definitely added to the suspicion. Also, Canseco mentions Boone in his book. Of course, considering the source, that might not mean too much. But I tend to think Canseco is scummy enough to actually be telling the truth on these things - he doesn't care if he's ratting people out.

                            I have Boone outside of my top 30 2Bman, probably in the 30-35 range, and without a chance whatsoever of making the Hall.
                            I'll agree with that!!
                            1968 and 1984, the greatest ever.

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                            • #15
                              Boone's most similar career batting lines from BB-Ref

                              Travis Fryman (924)
                              Ken Caminiti (903)
                              Joe Gordon (899)
                              Larry Parrish (894)
                              Bobby Grich (893)
                              Vern Stephens (886)
                              Vinny Castilla (863)
                              Doug DeCinces (854)
                              Bobby Doerr (850) *
                              Bobby Thomson (849)

                              This is generally a list of players better than Boone, since his numbers benefit from playing in an era of high offense. In particular, Gordon, Grich and Doerr were far better players.
                              Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                              Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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