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  • #31
    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    I really don't understand why having a woman in the major leagues is so important? I'd rather see a professional women's baseball league like AAGPBL (sans the silly skirts). I would watch an AAGPBL at least for while to see if it catches my interest.
    Female leagues exist but they're small and underfunded due to lack of interest and lack of top-quality talent. A national league would be great but that's just a small part of the story. The talent pool needs to be widened from the bottom up. Girls need to start playing the sport in large numbers starting at the Tee Ball level.

    Right now, I'm assuming the best talent is actually funneled to softball - with the elite playing for colleges. After that, most of the young ladies go into the workplace and onto family responsibilites.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
      I really don't understand why having a woman in the major leagues is so important? I'd rather see a professional women's baseball league like AAGPBL (sans the silly skirts). I would watch an AAGPBL at least for while to see if it catches my interest.

      As for women being able to play in the majors I find it highly unlikley given the large discrepancies in size, strength, agility, quickness, and explosiveness between men and women.
      I agree. Certainly, if there comes along a woman who is talented enough to play at the MLB level, let her play, by all means.

      But, the goal of the Women's baseball movement should be the development of a self-sustained professional league where female players can establish the highest level of the game and simply derive a living from their talent, dedication, and passion. That's all anybody ever really wants out their life, right...

      To focus on the possibility of the lone MLB maverick is a misprioritization, and the placing of the cart before the horse too. You want to strive to develop the institution of women's baseball so that it results in the most good for the greatest number.

      A general warning to all, be careful about fully separating interest, participation, market activity, etc. from the intellectual or sociological aspects of the discussion, there's is certainly a chicken-and-egg element there.
      THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT COME WITH A SCORECARD

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      • #33
        Originally posted by digglahhh View Post
        I agree. Certainly, if there comes along a woman who is talented enough to play at the MLB level, let her play, by all means.
        Absolutely. I just don't think it's a realistic possibility. A few years ago I was fascinated by Michelle Wie trying to play on the PGA Tour. At 15 she fell one stroke shy of making the cut at the Sony Open. At that point I really believed Wie could play on the PGA and be competitive. I based this on the idea that if Wie could fall one stroke short at age 15 with normal progression by her early 20s she could be in a position to realistically compete on the PGA Tour. Also, I found it astounding that a 15 year old female could be so close to making the cut. How many of today's top men's players, besides Tiger Woods, could have missed the cut on a PGA event by one stroke as 15 year old boys? it seemed to me that Wie had the physicality that most women lacked. She's 6'1" with long legs, long arms and a powerful swing. Her drives off the tee were about that of the average for a male player. But because of poor decisions by Wie and her parents and her wrist injuries Wie's career has been all down hill ever since then. Whether Wie ever turns a round her career is any body's guess.
        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Brian McKenna View Post
          Female leagues exist but they're small and underfunded due to lack of interest and lack of top-quality talent. A national league would be great but that's just a small part of the story. The talent pool needs to be widened from the bottom up. Girls need to start playing the sport in large numbers starting at the Tee Ball level.

          Right now, I'm assuming the best talent is actually funneled to softball - with the elite playing for colleges. After that, most of the young ladies go into the workplace and onto family responsibilites.
          Is the funneling of girls from softball to baseball really a realistic possibility? I have my doubts that tomorrow or next month millions of teen girls would leave softball for baseball. Softball seems to well ingrained in scholastic sports.

          I do remember having a girl on my Little League team way back in 1980. Man, she had some power! I remember she hit this rope that didn't go more than 10 feet of the ground. It hit the left field wall so quickly the LFer didn't even have time to move. She ended up with a double I think. I always wondered what ever happened to her.
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
            Is the funneling of girls from softball to baseball really a realistic possibility? I have my doubts that tomorrow or next month millions of teen girls would leave softball for baseball. Softball seems to well ingrained in scholastic sports.
            There are two main obstacles to the development of women's baseball, specifically the siphoning of female softball players into hardball leagues. One is intellectual/social, the other is practical.

            The social end is the gender binary stuff that makes young girls, and those direct them, feel that baseball is for boys and softball is for girls. It also makes kids reluctant to compete with those of the other gender. I'm going to try to avoid getting into that half too deeply.

            The practical end is what you just brought up. Even girls who do play and succeed at hardball, despite the ridicule and stigma, are almost always forced to take the softball fork in the road because it is the easy road to a college scholarship. At some point it is just going to become a practical decision, and encouragement to switch will begin to come from the parents as well. I'm all for women's baseball, but with college tuition what it is, I'd have a hard time telling my daughter to keep pursuing hardball, her passion, when not picking up the softball may be tantamount to leaving tens of thousands of dollars on the table.

            As to your comment about the viability of a female MLB-caliber player, I think both men and women who focus on whether it is possible or not miss the whole issue (you obviously don't focus on that, HWR, so I'm not talking about you). If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't. Whether it is theoretically possible or not, it is not going to happen without a well developed infrastructure, and that's where the focus should be - developing that infrastructure.
            THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT COME WITH A SCORECARD

            In the avy: AZ - Doe or Die

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
              As for women being able to play in the majors I find it highly unlikley given the large discrepancies in size, strength, agility, quickness, and explosiveness between men and women.
              Women outperform men in some agility tests.

              Many, uh, intangibles can contribute to a woman's "explosiveness."

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