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  • Eddie Fisher was a good pitcher, including fourth AL MVP while playing for the White Sox in 1964.

    In 1962 he pitched 182 innings at ERA+ 127; compare Pierce 162 innings at 108 for the Giants. His career was ahead and Pierce's career was behind.

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    • Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
      Eddie Fisher was a good pitcher, including fourth AL MVP while playing for the White Sox in 1964.
      .
      Make that 1965 when he was 4th. '64 was a good season for him, but '65 was amazing.

      Coming out of the pen he pitched in 82 games, threw over 165 innings, saved 24, had a W-L record of 15-7, fanned 90, and had an ERA of 2.40. Fisher, along with Hoyt Wilhelm and Bob Locker, made up a tremendous trio of relievers that season.

      He also greatly helped the Orioles in 1966, when he came over in a trade for Jerry Adair. Teamed with Stu Miller, Moe Drabowsky, rookie Eddie Watt (who started a few that season too), and Dick Hall, the Oriole bullpen bailed out the oft-ailing starting staff that season with long relief stints in their World Championship season.

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      • Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
        Eddie Fisher was a good pitcher, including fourth AL MVP while playing for the White Sox in 1964.

        In 1962 he pitched 182 innings at ERA+ 127; compare Pierce 162 innings at 108 for the Giants. His career was ahead and Pierce's career was behind.
        True, but the point of my post was the last sentence: Pierce won 16 games for the Giants in 1962, and the White Sox finished 11 games out of 1st. place.

        If he had won those 16 games for the White Sox... When the team you root for only wins the pennant every 40 years or so, you tend to speculate like this. I would prefer the 16 wins to the higher ERA+.
        They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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        • Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
          True, but the point of my post was the last sentence: Pierce won 16 games for the Giants in 1962, and the White Sox finished 11 games out of 1st. place.

          If he had won those 16 games for the White Sox... .
          He wouldn't have. I'm guessing he got a little more run support on a team with Cepeda. Mays, Alou, Davenport, Haller ...
          Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
          Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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          • Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
            He wouldn't have. I'm guessing he got a little more run support on a team with Cepeda. Mays, Alou, Davenport, Haller ...
            Maybe, but he probably could have won 11...
            They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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            • Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
              Maybe, but he probably could have won 11...
              That would only help if he would have 11 MORE wins than an average pitcher. I'm hoping an average pitcher would have won more than zero. Actually if he won eleven, he might have lost 11 and he WOULD have been only an average pitcher that year (which is kinda suggested by ERA+)
              Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
              Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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              • Doyle Alexander 1987

                Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
                Sorry to double post, but been doing some digging- as to Alexander's two no-decisions that fall- on September 27th he gave up one earned run in 10 and 2/3 innings in an eventual 13 inning win over the Blue Jays, cutting their lead to 2.5 games. I seriously don't think he was relying on his teams runs to win games. Actually, I can't find his other no-decision; too hung over to search deep- anyone else?
                Doyle Alexander 1987 game log (bb-ref)
                Alexander's first game with Detroit was a no-decision, 4 runs in six innings. He won the next eight before the no-decision described here and won the last one.

                Runs: 4 0 4 0 1 0 0 2 0 *2 3 -- *1 earned; sum 16 runs, 15 earned
                Inns : 6 8 7 9 7 9 7 8 9 10 7 -- plus four "thirds"; sum 88-1/3 innings

                bold marks three days rest, otherwise four days

                He was a bust in the playoff: two starts, nine innings, ten runs.

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                • Ok,

                  Just want to put my 2 cents in here...

                  You can't use the Pirates trade, nor the Rusie-Mathewson trade.
                  Or the McGraw dismantling of the 1901 Orioles

                  You can't even use the Lajoie to Cleveland trade

                  It has to be between 2 ownership groups and/or Gms

                  Therefore I submit IMHO the worst trade of all time

                  Bartolo Colon to the Expos for Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee

                  There were 2 other players involved, but really...who cares

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                  • Originally posted by Imapotato View Post
                    Bartolo Colon to the Expos for Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee

                    Gotta admit, that one's a stinker.
                    They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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                    • Pirates trading Jose Bautista to the Blue Jays for a PTBNL (ended up being Robinzon Díaz) is going to go down as one of the all time worst.
                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • J Sanchez for M Cabrera
                        1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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                        • Originally posted by Imapotato View Post
                          Ok,

                          Just want to put my 2 cents in here...

                          You can't use the Pirates trade, nor the Rusie-Mathewson trade.
                          Or the McGraw dismantling of the 1901 Orioles

                          You can't even use the Lajoie to Cleveland trade

                          It has to be between 2 ownership groups and/or Gms

                          Therefore I submit IMHO the worst trade of all time

                          Bartolo Colon to the Expos for Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee

                          There were 2 other players involved, but really...who cares
                          The casual fans in Cleveland were going crazy over that trade, insisting that the Indians got ripped off and should have been re-signing Colon.

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                          • Worse trade that never was

                            Hughie Jennings wanted to trade Ty Cobb to Cleveland for Elmer Flick straight up

                            Nap Lajoie said no

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                            • On July 4 1998, the Los Angeles Dodgers gave away struggling corner infielder Paul Konerko AND Dennys Reyes to the Cincinnati Reds for proven closer Jeff Shaw.

                              Not to be outdone, the Reds traded Konerko to the White Sox later that year for Mike Cameron.

                              Shaw earned 15 million dollars for four years worth of work with the Dodgers. He pitched pretty well (129 saves), but never made the post season.

                              The Reds got one year out of Cameron and was part of the Ken Griffey Jr. deal.

                              So the Reds turned Jeff Shaw into Ken Griffey Junior and the Dodgers are still watching Paul Konerko hit home runs for the White Sox 11 years after Jeff Shaw retired.

                              Nice.... as a Dodgers fan, this one still irks me. In fact every trigger pulled in 1998 was a mistake (Mike Piazza trade, et al.)
                              Your Second Base Coach
                              Garvey, Lopes, Russell, and Cey started 833 times and the Dodgers went 498-335, for a .598 winning percentage. That’s equal to a team going 97-65 over a season. On those occasions when at least one of them missed his start, the Dodgers were 306-267-1, which is a .534 clip. That works out to a team going 87-75. So having all four of them added 10 wins to the Dodgers per year.
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5hCIvMule0

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