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  • #46
    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    1990's Only...

    Griffey's average season (1990-1999): 141 G, 618 PA, .302/.384/.581, 152 OPS+, 38 HR, 109 RBI, 15/20 SB (75%), 100 R, 6.1 oWAR, 0.9 dWAR, 6.7 WAR

    Barry's average season (1990-1999): 143 G, 615 PA, .302/.434/.602, 179 OPS+, 36 HR, 108 RBI, 34/43 SB (79%), 109 R, 6.8 oWAR, 0.5 dWAR, 6.8 WAR


    You really can't get much closer than these two. I'm leaning toward Bonds because of the superior on-base and baserunning skills, but Griffey was a centerfielder....it's a tough call.
    Nice. Couldn't picture it better. OBP and running game are what gives Bonds the nod.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Yankillaz View Post
      90s only? To show I'm not being unfair:

      1990: Bonds > Griffey Jr.
      1991: Bonds > Griffey Jr.
      1992: Bonds > Griffey Jr.
      1993: Bonds > Griffey Jr.
      1994: Bonds < Griffey Jr.
      1995: Bonds > Griffey Jr.
      1996: Bonds < Griffey Jr.
      1997: Bonds < Griffey Jr.
      1998: Bonds > Griffey Jr.
      1999: Bonds < Griffey Jr.

      Final Tally: Bonds - 6, Junior - 4. Bonds was better, but not by much.
      I think I would take Griffey in 1991, and maybe 1998 too.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by willshad View Post
        I think I would take Griffey in 1991, and maybe 1998 too.
        Fair enough. But I then I would take Bonds for 1996. That was his 40/40 season. Griffey was tremendous but Bonds was the better player that year, IMO - plus he played in 18 more games than Griffey.

        FWIW, WAR liked Griffey a bit better that year, but I think the defensive component is bit screwy and need to be taken with a grain of salt. Griffey had 3.4 dWAR in 1996 but never had higher than 1.8 in any other season. I find it hard to believe that he was twice as valuable in CF that one season than any other year of his career.

        Offensively, it is clearly Bonds.

        1996

        Bonds - .308/.461/.615, 42 HR, 40 SB, 129 RBI, 122 R, 151 BB, 188 OPS+, 8.8 oWAR, 0.2 dWAR, 9.6 WAR
        Griffey - .303/.392/.628, 49 HR, 16 SB, 140 RBI, 125 R, 78 BB, 154 OPS+, 6.6 oWAR, 3.4 dWAR, 9.7 WAR

        Amazingly, neither player finished top-3 in MVP voting in their league.
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

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        • #49
          Gotta love the steroid era.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by willshad View Post
            Gotta love the steroid era.
            Apart from the uniforms, what a great era, I love it!
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            • #51
              Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
              You really can't get much closer than these two.
              It was glorious. Nothing like it since Aaron and Mays.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by willshad View Post
                Gotta love the steroid era.
                Didn't Bonds only start using in '99? (Not sure about Griffey)
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #53
                  Going with the guy with the 3 Mvps in that decade.

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                  • #54
                    I take Bonds over Griffey Jr. for that era. However, Griffey Jr. Was easily the 2nd best player of that decade. I think Griffey Jr. gets vastly underrated by most.

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                    • #55
                      The Sporting News named Barry Bonds the Player of the Decade (1990's).


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                      • #56
                        LOL This interview took place in 1999 when he had began taking roids and tore himself apart from being able to lift so much.

                        Sporting News - "Time is running out. You are 34 years old. You don't have many years left."

                        Sporting News - "Are you surprised that you have lasted this long?"

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                        He mentions the word "cheat" three times in this last response.

                        Haha...if they only knew.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                          LOL This interview took place in 1999 when he had began taking roids and tore himself apart from being able to lift so much.

                          Sporting News - "Time is running out. You are 34 years old. You don't have many years left."

                          Sporting News - "Are you surprised that you have lasted this long?"

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                          He mentions the word "cheat" three times in this last response.

                          Haha...if they only knew.
                          Even I have to find that funny...

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                            1990's Only...

                            Griffey's average season (1990-1999): 141 G, 618 PA, .302/.384/.581, 152 OPS+, 38 HR, 109 RBI, 15/20 SB (75%), 100 R, 6.1 oWAR, 0.9 dWAR, 6.7 WAR

                            Barry's average season (1990-1999): 143 G, 615 PA, .302/.434/.602, 179 OPS+, 36 HR, 108 RBI, 34/43 SB (79%), 109 R, 6.8 oWAR, 0.5 dWAR, 6.8 WAR


                            You really can't get much closer than these two. I'm leaning toward Bonds because of the superior on-base and baserunning skills, but Griffey was a centerfielder....it's a tough call.
                            It's not close at all, it's Bonds by a country mile. The only thing Griffey did better was hit home runs, and he barely did that better. Sure, he played a tougher position, but wasn't as good at CF as Barry was at LF. The OPS+ difference is staggering, did you miss it?
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                            • #59
                              Look at it this way, guys. I posted a topic here with a poll a few years back called something like Pujols vs. 90's-Bonds only. 90's Bonds won the poll decisively. And Pujols is better than Griffey was, I think we all can agree on that. So do the math. Of course it's Bonds.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                                It's not close at all, it's Bonds by a country mile. The only thing Griffey did better was hit home runs, and he barely did that better. Sure, he played a tougher position, but wasn't as good at CF as Barry was at LF. The OPS+ difference is staggering, did you miss it?
                                If they switched parks in the early-to mid 90's, I am not sure the HR totals would have been that much different either.
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