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  • pheasant
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    I just did some digging on this. Griffey Jr was one of my favorite players and Bonds was one of my least favorite. However, after further digging, Griffey, as good as he was(ranked 13th on my all-time list), doesn't hold a candle to Bonds during the 1990s.

    Top WAR, 1990s

    Junior 9.7, 9.1, 8.7, 7.1, 6.9, 6.6, 5.8, 5.2, 4.9,3.3
    Bonds 9.9, 9.7, 9.6, 9.2, 9.0, 8.1, 8.1 7.9, 6.2, 3.8

    Bonds wins 10-0

    Top OPS+ seasons, 1990s

    Junior 171, 171, 165, 155 ,154, 150, 149 ,139, 136, 122
    Bonds 206, 204, 188, 183, 178, 174, 170, 170, 160, 156


    Top SB, 1990s
    Junior 24, 20, 18, 17, 16, 16, 15, 11, 10, 4,
    Bonds 52,43, 40, 39, 37, 31, 29, 29, 28, 15

    Bonds wins 10-0 while having a better SB%.

    I was hoping that Griffey Jr. would bury Bonds in HRS. After all, he averaged about 2 more HRS per year.

    However:

    For the 1990s, Griffey’s AB/HR ratios was 14.07; bonds 13.5

    Top AB/HR ratios, 1990s

    Bonds 10.4, 10.5, 11.7, 12.3, 13.3, 13.9, 14.9, 15.3, 15.7, 20.4
    Griffey 10.8, 10.8, 11.1, 11.3, 12.6, 12.9, 15.2, 20.9, 24.9, 27.1

    Bonds 6-4, This is very close.

    Looking at road only, Bonds was 13.9 on the road and Griffey was 15.39.

    Other than positional value, Bonds beats or crushes Griffey Jr, unfortunately.
    Last edited by pheasant; 04-16-2015, 09:21 AM.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by AstrosFan View Post
    And Bonds averaged 8 WAR, not 6.8. His 1990-99 total was 79.9 to Griffey's 67.3.
    Whoops, you are right. I must have been looking at oWAR. I'll fix it.

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  • AstrosFan
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    Originally posted by White Knight View Post
    It's not close at all, it's Bonds by a country mile. The only thing Griffey did better was hit home runs, and he barely did that better. Sure, he played a tougher position, but wasn't as good at CF as Barry was at LF. The OPS+ difference is staggering, did you miss it?
    And Bonds averaged 8 WAR, not 6.8. His 1990-99 total was 79.9 to Griffey's 67.3.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by White Knight View Post
    It's not close at all, it's Bonds by a country mile. The only thing Griffey did better was hit home runs, and he barely did that better. Sure, he played a tougher position, but wasn't as good at CF as Barry was at LF. The OPS+ difference is staggering, did you miss it?
    If they switched parks in the early-to mid 90's, I am not sure the HR totals would have been that much different either.

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  • White Knight
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    Look at it this way, guys. I posted a topic here with a poll a few years back called something like Pujols vs. 90's-Bonds only. 90's Bonds won the poll decisively. And Pujols is better than Griffey was, I think we all can agree on that. So do the math. Of course it's Bonds.

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  • White Knight
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    1990's Only...

    Griffey's average season (1990-1999): 141 G, 618 PA, .302/.384/.581, 152 OPS+, 38 HR, 109 RBI, 15/20 SB (75%), 100 R, 6.1 oWAR, 0.9 dWAR, 6.7 WAR

    Barry's average season (1990-1999): 143 G, 615 PA, .302/.434/.602, 179 OPS+, 36 HR, 108 RBI, 34/43 SB (79%), 109 R, 6.8 oWAR, 0.5 dWAR, 6.8 WAR


    You really can't get much closer than these two. I'm leaning toward Bonds because of the superior on-base and baserunning skills, but Griffey was a centerfielder....it's a tough call.
    It's not close at all, it's Bonds by a country mile. The only thing Griffey did better was hit home runs, and he barely did that better. Sure, he played a tougher position, but wasn't as good at CF as Barry was at LF. The OPS+ difference is staggering, did you miss it?

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  • Yankillaz
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    Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    LOL This interview took place in 1999 when he had began taking roids and tore himself apart from being able to lift so much.

    Sporting News - "Time is running out. You are 34 years old. You don't have many years left."

    Sporting News - "Are you surprised that you have lasted this long?"

    [ATTACH]147580[/ATTACH]

    He mentions the word "cheat" three times in this last response.

    Haha...if they only knew.
    Even I have to find that funny...

    Sent from my LG-E976 using Tapatalk

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  • Sultan_1895-1948
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    LOL This interview took place in 1999 when he had began taking roids and tore himself apart from being able to lift so much.

    Sporting News - "Time is running out. You are 34 years old. You don't have many years left."

    Sporting News - "Are you surprised that you have lasted this long?"

    QA.jpg

    He mentions the word "cheat" three times in this last response.

    Haha...if they only knew.
    Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 04-13-2015, 07:43 PM.

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    The Sporting News named Barry Bonds the Player of the Decade (1990's).


    Bonds TSN 07-12-1999-1.jpgBonds TSN 07-12-1999-2.jpg

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    Bonds TSN 07-12-1999-5.jpg

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  • pheasant
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    I take Bonds over Griffey Jr. for that era. However, Griffey Jr. Was easily the 2nd best player of that decade. I think Griffey Jr. gets vastly underrated by most.

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  • Bucketfoot
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    Going with the guy with the 3 Mvps in that decade.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    Gotta love the steroid era.
    Didn't Bonds only start using in '99? (Not sure about Griffey)

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  • Los Bravos
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    You really can't get much closer than these two.
    It was glorious. Nothing like it since Aaron and Mays.

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  • Phantom Dreamer
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    Gotta love the steroid era.
    Apart from the uniforms, what a great era, I love it!

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  • willshad
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    Gotta love the steroid era.

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