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  • #16
    October 5, 1964 SI story written during Phils collapse

    http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...6439/index.htm

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
      95 M's
      Don't you mean the 95 Angels?

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      • #18
        1964 SI pre-collapse article

        http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...6213/index.htm

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Gee Walker View Post
          The 1987 Blue Jays were 3.5 games ahead with 7 to play, and never won another game that year.

          Yeah, but that wasn't because the Jays collapsed -- it was because the Tigers put a butt-whoppin on 'em! :applaud:
          "Hey Mr. McGraw! Can I pitch to-day?"

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          • #20
            1) '64 Phillies > like watching a slow death and could do nothing to stop it. Mauch choked, overused Bunning and Short, ignored Mahaffey.

            2) '69 Cubs > this team totally collapsed. Durocher was helpless. Calleda team meeting, singled out Ron Santo for absue! Ronnie had played his heart out. Clubhouse lawyers like Pappas and Pepitone undercut Leo's control.

            3) '78 Red Sox > The 3 game series in Fenway was a collapse of epic proportions. Geeting beat is one thing, getting slaughtered is another.

            Yankees Fan Since 1957

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            • #21
              Originally posted by yanks0714 View Post
              2) '69 Cubs > this team totally collapsed. Durocher was helpless. Calleda team meeting, singled out Ron Santo for absue! Ronnie had played his heart out. Clubhouse lawyers like Pappas and Pepitone undercut Leo's control.
              That team meeting actually occured in 1970 on Ron Santo Day at Wrigley. Durocher accused Santo in the meeting of politicking to the front office to have a day for himself. Santo had to be restrained from going after Leo and the team basically quit playing for Durocher after that meeting.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by yanks0714 View Post
                1) '64 Phillies > like watching a slow death and could do nothing to stop it. Mauch choked, overused Bunning and Short, ignored Mahaffey.

                2) '69 Cubs > this team totally collapsed. Durocher was helpless. Calleda team meeting, singled out Ron Santo for absue! Ronnie had played his heart out. Clubhouse lawyers like Pappas and Pepitone undercut Leo's control.

                3) '78 Red Sox > The 3 game series in Fenway was a collapse of epic proportions. Geeting beat is one thing, getting slaughtered is another.
                The early September sweep at Fenway was a four game series. The Red Sox went 19-10 in August and 14-15 in September. The Yankees went 19-8 in August and 22-8 in September. They played over 700 ball for two months. Whats often forgotten is that the Yankees built up a three game lead , and then the Red Sox won their final eight games to tie for first place.

                I dont consider that a collapse. The Yankees overtook them.
                http://soundbounder.blogspot.com/

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                • #23
                  It looks to be a tough race between the 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers and the 1964 Phillies. Two teams that just ran out of gas at the wrong time, and they could do nothing about this. McCarver and the St. Louis Cardinals were winning a lot, and (Gene) Mauch tried to do everything to slow the Cardinals and the National League down, and retain the pennant. Nothing was done, and it resulted in an ugly outcome.

                  As for the Brooklyn Dodgers, it turns out to be a team that was turning cold and their hated enemies turning hot. The New York Giants eventually caught up to Brooklyn at the very last day of the season. Then came the infamous one-game playoff at the Polo Grounds, with Bobby Thomson's walk-off shot off of Ralph Branca that agonized Brooklyn and carried the Giants to the World Series. Then they met their cross-town rival, the New York Yankees, who then later won it all.

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                  • #24
                    The Yankees of 2004 deserve some love.
                    "It's good to be young and a Giant." - Larry Doyle

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Solair Wright View Post
                      It looks to be a tough race between the 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers and the 1964 Phillies. Two teams that just ran out of gas at the wrong time, and they could do nothing about this. McCarver and the St. Louis Cardinals were winning a lot, and (Gene) Mauch tried to do everything to slow the Cardinals and the National League down, and retain the pennant. Nothing was done, and it resulted in an ugly outcome.

                      As for the Brooklyn Dodgers, it turns out to be a team that was turning cold and their hated enemies turning hot. The New York Giants eventually caught up to Brooklyn at the very last day of the season. Then came the infamous one-game playoff at the Polo Grounds, with Bobby Thomson's walk-off shot off of Ralph Branca that agonized Brooklyn and carried the Giants to the World Series. Then they met their cross-town rival, the New York Yankees, who then later won it all.
                      1951 was a three game playoff.
                      http://soundbounder.blogspot.com/

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Chickazoola View Post
                        The Yankees of 2004 deserve some love.
                        They did let that one get away but there have been a few World Series with teams down 3 games to 1 and they came back. Of course the Yanks were up 3 -0 thats more extreme but to me it's the collapse that takes place over longer periods. When teams seemingly have a pennant wrapped up only have to play decent ball for a week or two and then they blow it, those are bigger.

                        Any team in any playoff can get off the floor in a short playoff but when you stink up the place the last 10 or 12 games of a season, thats really blowing it.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by HomeRunHomer View Post
                          If there was such thing as an LCS/any form of playoff, would those Phillies have still done everything?
                          I'm sure glad there weren't any playoffs in those days. 1964 was one of the most exciting pennant races (in both leagues) in history. The Cardinals won the pennant by one game over the Phillies.....and Reds. The Giants were three back and the Braves, five. A five-team NL race down to the wire.

                          Anyone can get hot in a playoff. Even a bad team (look at the 2006 Cardinals - as a Cardinal fan I hate to admit that:disbelief:, but for the majority of the season they looked like an 83-win team - they looked like a 100-win team for three weeks though). That's why I don't like playoffs. The teams play a 162-game marathon to prove who's the best. Then blow it by allowing a team to win by just getting hot for a couple of weeks.

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                          • #28
                            Mets final week

                            One factor making the Mets collapse even worse was that
                            the schedule was in their favour. They played in home
                            games against two of the very worst teams in the league
                            (Washington and Florida) in their final week. Yet they
                            could not clinch their division. I don't know how it was
                            for the other historical collapses, but this fact makes the
                            Mets case unbelievable for me. Who would have thought that?

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                            • #29
                              On August 20, 1995 the Angels held a 9.5 game lead over the second place Rangers in the AL West while having the 2nd best record in the American League. Over their final 38 games, they did a total 180 and spun themselves not only out of the division title, but out of the playoff picture altogether by ending up 78-67.
                              Code:
                              Through 8/20/95
                              
                              Team   W   L   GB    RS   RA
                              .
                              CAL   66  41  ----  655  482
                              TEX   56  50   9.5  513  548
                              SEA   53  53  12.5  573  548
                              OAK   50  58  16.5  552  569
                              
                              After 8/20/95
                              
                              Team   W   L   GB    RS   RA
                              .
                              SEA   26  13  ----  223  160
                              TEX   18  20   7.5  178  172
                              OAK   17  19   7.5  178  192
                              CAL   12  26  13.5  146  215
                              "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                              • #30
                                Also the 2011 Red Sox are certainly in the conversation now and just might be the worst ever. They had a 9 game lead over Tampa on September 3rd and a 99.6% chance to reach the playoffs. They then lost 18 of their final 24 games and blew it on the final day.

                                The 2011 Braves collapsed pretty awfully too but it wasn't quite as epic as the Red Sox collapse.
                                My top 10 players:

                                1. Babe Ruth
                                2. Barry Bonds
                                3. Ty Cobb
                                4. Ted Williams
                                5. Willie Mays
                                6. Alex Rodriguez
                                7. Hank Aaron
                                8. Honus Wagner
                                9. Lou Gehrig
                                10. Mickey Mantle

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