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  • Best season of all time: Catcher (in the rye) version

    1933 Mickey Cochrane .322/.459/.515 30 doubles 4 triples 15 HR 112 RBI 157 OPS+

    1935 Gabby Hartnett .344/.404/.545 32 doubles 6 triples 13 HR 91 RBI 151 OPS+ MVP

    1936 Bill Dickey .362/.428/.617 26 doubles 8 triples 22 HR 107 RBI 158 OPS+

    1950 Yogi Berra .322/.383/.533 30 doubles 6 triples 28 HR 124 RBI 135 OPS+

    1953 Roy Campanella .312/.395/.611 26 doubles 3 triples 41 HR 142 RBI 155 OPS+ MVP

    1970 Johnny Bench .293/.345/.587 35 doubles 4 triples 45 HR 148 RBI 141 OPS+ MVP

    1997 Mike Piazza .362/.431/.638 32 doubles 1 triple 40 HR 124 RBI 185 OPS+

    1999 Pudge Rodriguez .332/.356/.558 29 doubles 1 triple 35 HR 113 RBI 125 OPS+ MVP

    2003 Javy Lopez .328/.378/.687 29 doubles 3 triples 43 HR 109 RBI 169 OPS+

    2007 Jorge Posada: .338/.426/.543 42 doubles 1 triple 20 HR 90 RBI 154 OPS+



    honorable mention to Buck Ewing 1888, Joe Mauer 2006, Gary Carter in the mid 80s, Todd Hundley in the mid 90s etc. etc.
    25
    Mickey Cochrane
    4.00%
    1
    Gabby Hartnett
    4.00%
    1
    Bill Dickey
    0.00%
    0
    Yogi Berra
    4.00%
    1
    Roy Campanella
    20.00%
    5
    Johnny Bench
    20.00%
    5
    Joe Torre
    4.00%
    1
    Mike Piazza
    40.00%
    10
    Pudge Rodriguez
    4.00%
    1
    Javier Lopez
    0.00%
    0
    Jorge Posada
    0.00%
    0
    other
    0.00%
    0
    Last edited by Blackout; 04-11-2008, 04:20 PM.

  • #2
    Johnny Bench was definitely better in '72. 166 OPS+. Much higher on-base% and better relative rates as well. The league hit .250 that year and even his relative BA was almost as good at 1.08 compared to 1.11 (the league hit .265 in '70).

    League OPS in '70 was .760 and in '72 was .685.

    He also drew 100 walks in '72 and 23 IBB and was voted as the leagues most dangerous hitter in many polls.

    The thing that brings '70 up was that he played in 158 games catching 139 and even playing centerfield twice.
    Last edited by brett; 04-08-2008, 07:09 PM.

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    • #3
      i'm having a tough time deciding.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by brett View Post
        Johnny Bench was definitely better in '72. 166 OPS+. Much higher on-base% and better relative rates as well.
        yeah and his defense was better.

        but he hit 84 XBH, the league leader and played 11 more games

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        • #5
          --I would have gone with Bench 72, but 70 is close enough I guess. They may be the 2 best seasons by a catcher.

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          • #6
            Torre sneaks out my vote just barely over Campanella, Dickey and Piazza.

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            • #7
              Joe Torre played 161 games in 1971, every single one of them at 3B.

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              • #8
                oops my bad i was looking at 70.

                dammit

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by blackout805 View Post
                  oops my bad i was looking at 70.

                  dammit
                  I can remove Torre. Unless you'd like to substitute another year for him. It's just his name in the poll.
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                  • #10
                    What, no love for Pudge here? His numbers were comparable to Piazza, but Pudge actually did win the MVP. The dealbreaker for me is the defense. Pudge won the gold glove, and threw out 55% of the fools who tried to steal on him.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                      I can remove Torre. Unless you'd like to substitute another year for him. It's just his name in the poll.
                      what about buck ewing 1888

                      for bill

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RubeBaker View Post
                        What, no love for Pudge here? His numbers were comparable to Piazza, but Pudge actually did win the MVP. The dealbreaker for me is the defense. Pudge won the gold glove, and threw out 55% of the fools who tried to steal on him.
                        his numbers were NOT comparable on offense to piazza but he was much better defensively.


                        with that said 185 OPS+ > 125 OPS+

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RubeBaker View Post
                          What, no love for Pudge here? His numbers were comparable to Piazza, but Pudge actually did win the MVP. The dealbreaker for me is the defense. Pudge won the gold glove, and threw out 55% of the fools who tried to steal on him.
                          Probably called for fastballs 95% of the time too. Plus his MVP was a farce. Jeter was the real MVP. And truth of the matter is IRod's numbers are NOT really comparable to Piazza's.

                          So, no love for Pudge here.

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                          • #14
                            Not to offend any players who won it, but how much is an MVP award really worth in terms of these debates? We've all heard arguments (some logical, others horrible) about why some of the MVPs were, as posted above: "farces". In a statistical comparison, MVP awards shouldn't really carry that much weight.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 1905 Giants View Post
                              Not to offend any players who won it, but how much is an MVP award really worth in terms of these debates? We've all heard arguments (some logical, others horrible) about why some of the MVPs were, as posted above: "farces". In a statistical comparison, MVP awards shouldn't really carry that much weight.
                              very true, in Pudge's case he wasn't deserving of the top 5.

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