Where do you rank Kirby Puckett among CFers. I have him ranked 8th. His career was cut short in his prime, but he packed a lot of production into those 12 years.
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Originally posted by Tigerfan1974I thought Kirby was flashy and flamboyant, but I have always questioned is HoF status. I am not sure where to put him in history.
Probably not top 10.
I think of this second tier, Puckett rises to top. His career was short, but he had more hits in his for 10 years than anyone ever. In just 12 seasons, he had 2300 hits and a .318 average, that's pretty impressive. He had some power, he could field, and he had an excellent chance to zoom well past 3000 hits.
But like I said, a lot of these guys are so clumped together, I can definitely see arguments for Puckett dropping a few spots.
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--The 7 guys XX mentions, plus Billy Hamilton definately rank ahead of Puckett. Once past them, he has as good an argument for filling the one of the last 2 top 10 spots as anyone. Except if you count Negro Leaguers then Charleston is ahead and Puckett is fighting for that last spot.
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Originally posted by Tigerfan1974I thought Kirby was flashy and flamboyant, but I have always questioned is HoF status. I am not sure where to put him in history.
Probably not top 10.
Among all-time CFers? Hard to pinpoint exactly where he should be, but I wouldn't debate anyone who thinks he is top 10 all-time.Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.
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Originally posted by leecemark--The 7 guys XX mentions, plus Billy Hamilton definately rank ahead of Puckett. Once past them, he has as good an argument for filling the one of the last 2 top 10 spots as anyone. Except if you count Negro Leaguers then Charleston is ahead and Puckett is fighting for that last spot.Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.
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1.Willie Mays
2.Oscar Charleston
3.Mickey Mantle
4.Ty Cobb
5.Tris Speaker
6.Joe DiMaggio
7.Christobal Torriente
8.Jimmy Wynn
9.Duke Snider
10.Ken Griffey Jr.
11.Billy Hamilton
12.Larry Doby
13.Kirby Puckett
14.Cesar Cedeno
15.Wally Berger
16.Dale Murphy
17.Cool Papa Bell
18.Richie Ashburn
19.Fred Lynn
20.Amos Otis
21.Spot Poles
22.Vada Pinson
23.Earl Averill
24.Max Carey
25.Eric Davis
I go back and forth and Puckett and Doby. They are both pretty similar players really, with almost the same value. Doby was a very good CFer for a few years in the Negro Leagues before he came to the majors though, so he does deserve some extra longevity, which is probably enough to lift him above Puckett.
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Puckett's offense by PCA:Code:Age Yr OWC PA 23 1984 1.87 583 24 1985 4.72 744 25 1986 9.70 723 26 1987 10.19 668 27 1988 8.95 691 28 1989 7.27 684 29 1990 5.69 615 30 1991 5.21 661 31 1992 8.35 696 32 1993 7.49 682 33 1994 6.63 482 34 1995 7.53 602
Puckett's defensive career:Code:Age Yr ADWC PRG 23 1984 7.83 134 24 1985 3.78 162 25 1986 1.99 156 26 1987 0.94 145 27 1988 6.07 153 28 1989 4.53 151 29 1990 2.78 138 30 1991 2.63 153 31 1992 3.11 146 32 1993 0.56 135 33 1994 0.19 94 34 1995 0.08 104
Short career hurts his Greatness Index...but here are the figures I have:Code:Phase Ps-Rk GI Offense 24 207.704 Defense 26 91.81 Total 19 299.52
If he'd had a longer career, I suspect his defensive ratings would have been much worse overall because part of the reason he declined was the shape of his body so I tend to fight the urge to assume that great things would have continued for Puckett had he not had those eye and brain problems.
Nonetheless...for such a short career, it's remarkable he does this well by any system. He will be missed.
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Originally posted by leecemark--The 7 guys XX mentions, plus Billy Hamilton definately rank ahead of Puckett. Once past them, he has as good an argument for filling the one of the last 2 top 10 spots as anyone. Except if you count Negro Leaguers then Charleston is ahead and Puckett is fighting for that last spot.
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Originally posted by SABR Matt
Short career hurts his Greatness Index...but here are the figures I have:Code:Phase Ps-Rk GI Offense 24 207.704 Defense 26 91.81 Total 19 299.52
If he'd had a longer career, I suspect his defensive ratings would have been much worse overall because part of the reason he declined was the shape of his body so I tend to fight the urge to assume that great things would have continued for Puckett had he not had those eye and brain problems.
Nonetheless...for such a short career, it's remarkable he does this well by any system. He will be missed.
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Top 25 CFs by the GI method with PCA
Code:First Last Ps-Rk OP-Rk DP-Rk GI Willie Mays 1 2 10 703.919 Mickey Mantle 2 1 104 686.033 Tris Speaker 3 4 2 624.795 Ty Cobb 4 3 49 622.661 Joe DiMaggio 5 5 53 476.03 Richie Ashburn 6 11 5 403.355 Max Carey 7 20 1 389.158 Duke Snider 8 6 101 388.238 Billy Hamilton 9 9 24 382.392 Jimmy Wynn 10 7 116 363.499 Ken Griffey Jr. 11 8 120 356.767 Cesar Cedeno 12 10 62 343.256 Brett Butler 13 15 13 332.825 Fred Lynn 14 12 75 322.416 Amos Otis 15 22 11 316.499 Vada Pinson 16 17 35 312.461 Earl Averill 17 13 124 300.691 Kirby Puckett 18 24 26 299.518 Larry Doby 19 14 88 298.19 Willie Davis 20 21 47 294.927 Jim Edmonds 21 19 58 290.112 Paul Hines 22 32 14 289.457 Andruw Jones 23 87 3 285.948 Cy Williams 24 23 51 285.735 Bernie Williams 25 16 111 284.176
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Puckett has the highest career RH batting AVG since Joe Dimaggio. Him and Joe Medwick are one of the few players to have had at least 230 hits and 100RBI's.......had good pop in his time.....6 gold gloves...10 straight years as an all star...he averaged 209 hits, 38 doubles,19 HR's and 99 RBI's. With that said Id rank him in the top ten."I was pitching one day when my glasses clouded up on me. I took them off to polish them. When I looked up to the plate, I saw Jimmie Foxx. The sight of him terrified me so much that I haven't been able to wear glasses since." - Left Gomez
"(Lou) Gehrig never learned that a ballplayer couldn't be good every day." - Hank Gowdy
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