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    Who is baseball's bet hitting pitcher ever? The pitchers listed in the poll are all guys with longevity and pitching success. Are their other guys who were great hitters, but not very good pitchers? You know-Jason Marquisesque.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
    Who is baseball's bet hitting pitcher ever? The pitchers listed in the poll are all guys with longevity and pitching success. Are their other guys who were great hitters, but not very good pitchers? You know-Jason Marquisesque.
    Havin problems with the poll. I will have to post it on a nother thread.
    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-24-2008, 10:25 PM.
    1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

    1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

    1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


    The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
    The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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    • #3
      Since a poll isn't up yet, my vote goes to George Herman Ruth.

      I'm making that my vote since I have a sneaking suspicion that he won't be one of the choices once the poll goes up.

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      • #4
        Yeah, that's kinda the obvious answer. Or you could go with the other 6'2" lefty who started his career out as pitcher and became an all-time great hitter, ending with a .342 average... Dan Brouthers.

        Also, Wes Ferrell is a good choice. Big Train might get some votes too. He actually pinch hit I believe, on a few occasions.

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        • #5
          The southpaw from St. Mary's.

          Gibson was good, too.

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          • #6
            Reply moved to the other thread.
            Last edited by jjpm74; 04-25-2008, 06:53 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
              The pitchers listed in the poll are all guys with longevity and pitching success.
              I don't consider Ruth as having longevity as a pitcher.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                I don't consider Ruth as having longevity as a pitcher.
                So Stan Musial won't count either?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BenHertz View Post
                  So Stan Musial won't count either?
                  Babe Ruth pitched in 163 games. Stan Musial's Major League pitching career consisted of facing 1 batter in 1952 while the pitcher of record, Harvey Haddix fielded after the team's season was over. Otherwise, he never pitched once in the majors.

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                  • #10
                    Though he was far from the best, Schoolboy Rowe deserves mention here.
                    "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
                    -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

                    Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
                      Who is baseball's bet hitting pitcher ever?
                      Here's a question that may help lead to an answer to this original question...

                      How many full time pitchers with long careers had an OPS+ higher than 100?

                      George Mullin may be the greatest hitting pitcher in history, aside from Ruth. His numbers don't look impressive because of when he played, though.

                      Career OPS+

                      Mullin: 100
                      Ferrell: 100
                      Schoolboy Rowe: 87
                      George Uhle: 86
                      Newcombe: 85
                      Lemon: 82
                      Ruffing: 82

                      Notes: Ruth hit .304 at a pitcher. Erv Brame (.306) and Jack Bentley (.322) hit over .300.

                      Oddity- Jack Harshman, who only pitched 1189 innings and appeared in only 258 games, hit 21 homers in his career. He has the greatest HR/AB ratio (strictly as a pitcher) of anyone in baseball history.

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                      • #12
                        Great Article On The Subject

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                        • #13
                          One thing to be slighly cautious about regarding pitchers OPS+ over time is: overthe decades, the average pitcher has gotten much worse. A guy with a career 25 OPS+ now would be considered one of the best hitting pitchers over the past 20 years. Back in Mullin's day, a 23 OPS+ would be pretty bad. It is better to focus on runs created above average for a pitcher, in other words, a 100 OPS+ in Mullins time is not nearly as valuable as a 100 OPS+ would be today.
                          1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                          1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                          1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                          The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                          The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                            I don't consider Ruth as having longevity as a pitcher.

                            Well, he did if compared to Dan Brouthers...

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                            • #15
                              Smokey Joe Wood was pretty good. So were Bob Gibson and Earl Wilson.
                              "Hey Mr. McGraw! Can I pitch to-day?"

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