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    ... out of Hall of Famers. Let's say we use the following attributes to build a player out of:

    Contact hitting
    Plate Discipline
    Power
    Speed
    Baserunning instincts
    Fielding
    Throwing

    Obviously we can break down some of those attributes further, but for now, I am trying to keep things simple. Using Hall of Famers who were elected for their contributions as position players, who would you choose to build your worst player?
    "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

    - Alvin Dark

  • #2
    Wow, this is a tough one. Here are my choices:

    Contact hitting: Ray Schalk (lowest lifetime BA of any non-pitching HOFer)
    Plate Discipline: Reggie Jackson
    Power: Wee Willie Keeler
    Speed: Ernie Lombardi
    Baserunning instincts: Brooks Robinson
    Fielding: Lou Brock
    Throwing: Rickey Henderson
    "Hey Mr. McGraw! Can I pitch to-day?"

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    • #3
      Contact hitting - Reggie Jackson
      Plate Discipline - Bill Mazeroski
      Power - Willie Keeler (Was Johnny Evers)
      Speed - Ernie Lombardi
      Baserunning instincts - I have no idea.
      Fielding - Lou Brock
      Throwing - Jake Beckley
      "It's good to be young and a Giant." - Larry Doyle

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      • #4
        eating disclipline: babe ruth

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        • #5
          Baserunning instincts was the toughest one for me, too, Chick. I just picked Brooks because the guy only stole 20-something bases over his long career. I figure he must have crappy baserunning instincts, since a ballplayer should be able to get 3-4 steals each year by accident! Brooks averaged about 1 per season!!!
          "Hey Mr. McGraw! Can I pitch to-day?"

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          • #6
            Reggie Jackson's OBP-AVG was 42% higher than the league figures for his career. I fail to see how anyone could argue his plate discipline is the worst among Hall of Famers. Too much is being made of his career strikeout total. Jackson also had a career BA higher than the league for his career.

            Contact hitting - Harmon Killebrew
            Plate Discipline - Kirby Puckett
            Power - Ozzie Smith (lowest ISO+ among HOFers)
            Speed - Ernie Lombardi
            Baserunning instincts - Got me. Maybe I should have left this one off.
            Fielding - Willie McCovey
            Throwing - Jake Beckley
            "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

            - Alvin Dark

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            • #7
              Durocher is in for his contributions as a manager. You need to find someone who is in for his contributions as a position player.
              "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

              - Alvin Dark

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              • #8
                Contact hitting- Ray Schalk
                Plate Discipline- Reggie Jackson
                Power- Ozzie Smith
                Speed- Ernie Lombardi
                Fielding- Willie McCovoy
                Throwing- Rickey Henderson
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AstrosFan View Post
                  Reggie Jackson's OBP-AVG was 42% higher than the league figures for his career. I fail to see how anyone could argue his plate discipline is the worst among Hall of Famers. Too much is being made of his career strikeout total. Jackson also had a career BA higher than the league for his career.

                  Contact hitting - Harmon Killebrew
                  Plate Discipline - Kirby Puckett
                  Power - Ozzie Smith (lowest ISO+ among HOFers)
                  Speed - Ernie Lombardi
                  Baserunning instincts - Got me. Maybe I should have left this one off.
                  Fielding - Willie McCovey
                  Throwing - Jake Beckley
                  I think you make good points for Reggie, but the same basic points could be made for Killebrew. He was also a great OBP guy, and his lifetime BA isn't bad for his era. Kiner may be a better choice than Killer, in that he had a career BA barely above league in a short career, and I'd probably go with Brock...I don't think he took too many strike 3 calls looking, but still struck out a lot. His BA is good because he was so fast.
                  Throwing - Ralph Kiner (Enos Slaughter claimed he could score from 3rd on a ball hit to Ralph 30 feet behind the bag)
                  Baserunning Instincts - Babe Ruth (not that he was a terrible baserunner, but tried to prove that he was faster than he really was...and, there's no excuse for him making the last out in the '26 WS trying to steal 2nd).
                  Plate Discipline - Lloyd Waner
                  "I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial

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                  • #10
                    Rick Ferrell had the worst baserunning instict that I could find strong verification for so far.
                    His SB% is a horrific 45%. Out of 64 attempts, only 29 were successful.

                    Although Cary Carter's 48% in 81 tries is not too smart either.

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                    • #11
                      Reggie is probably worse overall at contact than Harmon, figuring in ability to get a base hit (relative avg.) and strikeout rate. But Reggie is a little above average at getting base hits, Harmon a little below. I decided I would start by looking at the Hall of Famers who are below average at getting base hits, and proceed from there; that is, highest strikeout rate among those players. I could have gone either way. I think I should point out, though, that I never suggested Harmon was the worst at plate discipline, so there's really no need to defend him in that area.
                      "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                      - Alvin Dark

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                      • #12
                        http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1087075

                        Relative Stats for Hall of Famers. Those stats like NOBP mean that SB and CS have been factored in. You should probably ignore these, since CS data was not available for a number of these HOFers.
                        "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                        - Alvin Dark

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                        • #13
                          From accounts I've read, Hack Wilson was a horrible fielder. I also once read an article about Earl Weaver in which he stated that Brooks Robinson was one of the better baserunners going from first to third on a hit despite being slow afoot. That seems to go to instincts. If I hadn't read that I'd be tempted to go with Brooks too, on this one. Who knows?
                          Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours. - Yogi Berra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Victory Faust View Post
                            Baserunning instincts was the toughest one for me, too, Chick. I just picked Brooks because the guy only stole 20-something bases over his long career. I figure he must have crappy baserunning instincts, since a ballplayer should be able to get 3-4 steals each year by accident! Brooks averaged about 1 per season!!!
                            Did you ever see Brooks run? Slow doesn't describe him. 20 soemthing SBs in his career? The pitchers and catchers whom he stole against should have been immediately demoted to the minors.

                            I once saw Brooks take off (yeah, right) on a botched hit and run. The batter swng and missed. The catcher gunned it down to 2nd, the SS took the throw, and actually took two steps forward to tag Brooks who was still trying to get there. Brooksie slid but ended up 2 feet short of the bag.
                            Embarrassing. He actually got up with a laugh on his face.

                            Yankees Fan Since 1957

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hellborn View Post
                              Plate Discipline - Lloyd Waner
                              Did anyone else notice this? Sorry, but that's the funniest thing I think I've ever seen here- that this got by everyone. Hellborn, you are a genius and I salute you!
                              "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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