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  • hellborn
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    Originally posted by Victory Faust View Post
    I know I'm going to get run out of town for saying this, but I didn't think the John Goodman movie was all that bad. It's not meant to be a serious biography. It's just a lark, and, to me, it really isn't all that bad.

    My young son and I enjoyed watching it. Again, you have to take it for what it was: A pop baseball film, not meant to be taken seriously by baseball history scholars.
    Hey, if you guys liked it, more power to you.
    I was expecting a serious film, and my jaw just hit the floor as the movie unfolded. I took two friends from Italy to the movie, and they came away thinking that Ruth was something like a clown who entertained the fans by acting goofy, and I was mortified.

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  • Victory Faust
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    I know I'm going to get run out of town for saying this, but I didn't think the John Goodman movie was all that bad. It's not meant to be a serious biography. It's just a lark, and, to me, it really isn't all that bad.

    My young son and I enjoyed watching it. Again, you have to take it for what it was: A pop baseball film, not meant to be taken seriously by baseball history scholars.

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    "Cobb also set the major league single season record for steals of home at eight in 1912, a total Carew just missed when he stole seven in 1969 while with the Minnesota Twins, being thrown out on his eighth try. Carew matched the N.L. record set by Pete Reiser of the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1946."

    STOP SHOUTING!!!

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    That article shows he stole home 17 times in his entire CAREER. Not 7 times in one season like you originally had posted. Next time you want to pounce on someone 10 seconds after they post, realized they made an error and corrected it, at least be accurate yourself.
    "Cobb also set the major league single season record for steals of home at eight in 1912, a total Carew just missed when he stole seven in 1969 while with the Minnesota Twins, being thrown out on his eighth try. Carew matched the N.L. record set by Pete Reiser of the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1946."

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  • hellborn
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    That article shows he stole home 17 times in his entire CAREER. ...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Mi...a_Twins_season

    I've heard about Carew stealing home 7 times in a season at least 777 times in my life.

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  • hellborn
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Stolen bases: 353
    Caught stealing: 187

    What does stealing home 7 times have to do with anything?

    That's a terrible SB ratio for a base stealer.
    Um...he had 353+187=540 steal attempts. He was successful (353/540)=.654=65.4% of the time.
    This is not especially good, but not bad, either...somewhere around break even in terms of overall runs scored. Rod had some very good seasons for SB %, like 35/44=79.5% in '75 (how did he only score 89 runs in 143 games with a .421 OBP and that kind of base stealing that season?!?!?). Not Eric Davis, but very good. He had some poor years later in his career that brought his average down.
    Stealing home is the most difficult feat for a baserunner...I'm not convinced that it's a smart play very often, but pulling it off is impressive.

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post

    That article shows he stole home 17 times in his entire CAREER. Not 7 times in one season like you originally had posted. Next time you want to pounce on someone 10 seconds after they post, realized they made an error and corrected it, at least be accurate yourself.
    Last edited by jjpm74; 04-29-2008, 06:34 AM. Reason: misspelled accurate

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Find me the stat that shows he stole home 7 times in one season.
    Find you the STAT?

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...63/ai_n6154585

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by hellborn View Post
    It would be even better to pick a guy who had a low BA, few walks, and a ton of Ks...but who is like that in the HOF? Those guys don't make the HOF, even if they hit for power.
    Banks might be the closest maybe Perez
    Last edited by RuthMayBond; 04-29-2008, 06:22 AM.

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Time for Stats 101

    <What does stealing home 7 times have to do with anything?>

    1. It indicates he had skill
    2. It's at least an accurate statistic

    Find me the stat that shows he stole home 7 times in one season.

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Stolen bases: 353
    Caught stealing: 187
    Percentage: 47.1% of the time he was successful in stealing the base he tried to steal. 52.9% of the time he was thrown out.
    Time for Stats 101

    <What does stealing home 7 times have to do with anything?>

    1. It indicates he had skill
    2. It's at least an accurate statistic

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  • hellborn
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    Originally posted by dgarza View Post
    I guess a comparison to George Sisler is somewhat in order.

    But perhaps Bill Mazeroski had worse plate discipline (even though he wasn't "supposed" to be a "hitter").

    Soon we may be able to include Jim Rice, with all those Ks and GDPs.
    Yeah, I wanted to pick a guy who was supposed to be in the HOF for his bat, not a glove man. Even L Waner's high average years aren't too impressive when you look at what the league was hitting then, and his OPS numbers were still not very good then.
    It would be even better to pick a guy who had a low BA, few walks, and a ton of Ks...but who is like that in the HOF? Those guys don't make the HOF, even if they hit for power. Kiner is derided as being only a power hitter, but he drew walks and didn't K a lot for most of his career. Killebrew didn't put a priority on getting the bat on the ball unless he could really drive it, but he knew how to get his pitch and lay off crap. He was a disciplined hitter, despite the low BA.
    I'm not sure if I'd pick Rice over L Waner...it'd be close for me. Jim is an example of a guy who hit the pitcher's pitch too much, even though he had the ability to hit it hard...often, right to the SS with a man on 1st. Somebody like Dick Stuart would be ideal.
    Sisler was a BB machine compared to Lloyd, as well as having real value with the bat...I think not as much as a lot of people think, but a fine all around player before his health problems.

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    The guy was in the top 5 of all time for caught stealing
    Actually this isn't true either

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Completely false (plus he stole home like at least six times in one season)
    Stolen bases: 353
    Caught stealing: 187

    What does stealing home 7 times have to do with anything?

    That's a terrible SB ratio for a base stealer.

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  • dgarza
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    I'm surprised people are having a difficult time with baserunning instincts. Rod Carew was one of the worst baserunners of all time. He was caught stealing nearly 50% of the time.
    Try 35% of time.

    The guy was in the top 5 of all time for caught stealing and had roughly 350 stolen bases.
    That's only because be don't know exactly how many times Ty Cobb, Billy Hamilton, etc. were caught stealing. The records don't reflect stats that were not kept 100 years ago.

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