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  • #31
    Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
    I can't stand the division system and playoffs. The NL and AL should be one division each. You have 162 games to win first place- if you can't do it in that time you don't deserve to go to the series.
    I NEVER want to go to the 'one division' fornat again.

    Do you REALLY want to go back to the days when the Yankees were in almost every World Series?!

    13 pennants from 1949-1964- talk about uninteresting.

    Lord knows how many Yankees/Braves series we'd have to watch.
    "It's time to play America's favorite game- Name That Molina."

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    • #32
      Looks like the DH is just as popular as ever.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by HomeRunHomer View Post
        I NEVER want to go to the 'one division' fornat again.
        Do you REALLY want to go back to the days when the Yankees were in almost every World Series?!
        13 pennants from 1949-1964- talk about uninteresting.
        Lord knows how many Yankees/Braves series we'd have to watch.
        I think there are just too many teams now for eliminating the playoffs. Made more sense with 8 team leagues.
        The wildcard system is unfair in many ways, but I think that it makes things more exciting for most fans...including me.
        "I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial

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        • #34
          Originally posted by HomeRunHomer View Post
          I NEVER want to go to the 'one division' fornat again.
          I enjoyed baseball much more under that format. Now I started watching the game at the age of five in 1961. The Yankees won five pennants from 1960-64, but they were often challenged within their own league during that period. The Tigers gave them a run in 1961 and the White Sox and Orioles had a great shot at winning the 1964 pennant, missing by one and two-games respectively. The O's led for most of the season, but had a very young pitching staff (except for Robin Roberts) and couldn't overcome a NY rally in September.

          But the Yankee success ended in that decade. After 1964 they were pretty much, awful. By 1966 they finished dead last - 10th place. So during the last decade of straight league baseball (1959-68), we saw six teams win the AL pennant (White Sox, Yankees, Twins, Orioles, Red Sox and Tigers). And the National League had five teams win - Dodgers, Pirates, Reds, Giants and the Cardinals. There were some great pennant races during that period too.

          The leagues played a balanced schedule - after the 162-game schedule was implemented (1961 AL, 1962 NL), each team played the other nine opponents in the league 18-times. Thus, the team that won the marathon was the best team in the league that season and earned their trip to the World Series, instead of winning 83-games and getting hot for one or two weeks.

          It's a heck of a lot harder to win a real pennant than it is to get hot for a few games. ANY team in baseball is capable of getting hot for a few days. Great teams win 100 games. Awful teams win 60 games - meaning, even the awful team has a few winning streaks during the regular season and are quite capable of winning a short series.

          With the current setup, it's possible for a team to finish under .500 and win a division. Now I don't care what type of playoff setup a league has, but a sub-.500 team absolutely does not deserve a trip to a playoff. In 1994, the strike-season, the Texas Rangers were in first place in their division with a "tremendous" 52-62 record at the time the players walked and ended the season. Perhaps the ONLY good thing about the strike was the fact that a sub-.500 team was not allowed to win the division (now they may have rallied, and finished over .500, but they were not a very good team and ten games under .500 so who knows?). The leagues have come close in recent years. The Padres won their division in 2005 with an 82-80 record. The team I root for, the Cardinals, not only won their division by backing in with an 83-79 record, but they won the playoffs and the World Series. The Mets went to the World Series back in 1973 during the two-division setup, with a record of 82-79, and took the A's to 7-games. With front-line pitchers like Seaver and Koosman, they were quite capable of winning a short series where a team doesn't have to go that deep into the starting staff.

          Anyway, I liked and prefer the straight league with no divisions or playoffs. I wish baseball would have never interrupted the continuity. But they did. I tolerated the two division setup which, initially, was more balanced than the current system. But much preferred the pre-1969 system.

          At least, that's my opinion of things. Many of you on the board grew up long after the move to divisional play and have no experience with pre-1969 baseball.

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          • #35
            The invention of the boston Red Sox.
            http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Q_Zerpnj63I/Sa...flbot-qUQb.jpg

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Yankees2k6 View Post
              The invention of the boston Red Sox.
              The Red Sox invented the Yankees.

              Babe Ruth, Wally Schang, Everett Scott, Carl Mays, Herb Pennock, Sam Jones, Waite Hoyt, Joe Bush, Duffy Lewis, have a nice week
              "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
                The Red Sox invented the Yankees.

                Babe Ruth, Wally Schang, Everett Scott, Carl Mays, Herb Pennock, Sam Jones, Waite Hoyt, Joe Bush, Duffy Lewis, have a nice week
                Joe Dugan didn't want a piece? And Duffy Lewis wasn't particularly crucial to the Yankees dynasty.
                "It's good to be young and a Giant." - Larry Doyle

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                • #38
                  Yeah, but you catch my drift.
                  "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
                    The Red Sox invented the Yankees.

                    Babe Ruth, Wally Schang, Everett Scott, Carl Mays, Herb Pennock, Sam Jones, Waite Hoyt, Joe Bush, Duffy Lewis, have a nice week
                    Thats true but the Yankees after Ruth were even more successful, very successful, late 1930s, some 1940s and great 1950s, late 1990s.

                    Yea for sure clown Harry Frazee started the ball rolling, what was he thinking, was he thinking. He was a business man knew nothing about the game.

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