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How would Babe Ruth fared in today's game?

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  • How would Babe Ruth fared in today's game?

    How different do you think The Babe's numbers would be if he played in this modern era of baseball. Throw in any thoughts you'd like. The pitchers, ballparks, equipment, media, whatever. I personally think his power numbers would be slightly higher, with his batting average not as lofty.
    People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

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    If you dig around down here these guys have threads of info like that on the legends of the game with all the adjustments your heart desires.


    IMO though you can take any of the greats that were superior to their peers of any era and the same thing would happen no matter which era you threw them in with the different equipment and training. The game will always be played by humans that run about 98.6 F and there will always be the blessed one's like the Babe.

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    • #3
      He'd would have a hall of fame pitching career - he was that good a pitcher and because of the DH rule he would never get to bat enough for people to realize he was also the greatest hitter the game has ever seen.

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      • #4
        If he was a pitcher in today's game, I would think that Ruth would probably be a premier pitcher. Here is my prediction of his stats:

        Wins: 326
        Losses: 147
        ERA: 3.21
        Strikeouts: 2731

        I think he would also be a great hitter. Here's my prediction of his stats if he were solely a hitter:

        Batting Average: .323
        Home Runs: 568
        RBI: 1841

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MDog795 View Post

          I think he would also be a great hitter. Here's my prediction of his stats if he were solely a hitter:

          Batting Average: .323
          Home Runs: 568
          RBI: 1841
          No reason to to think he wouldn't play as long and probably longer given today's advancements. Considering all the other factors, and knowing that he put up in 714 in those parks, with those conditions, even after wasting his first five years hitting a deadball, that 568 seems awful low. 868 would be more reasonable imo.
          "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

          ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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          • #6
            He'd probably be in better shape, at the least.
            “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

            "Fill in any figure you want for that boy [Mantle]. Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

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            • #7
              [QUOTE=.


              IMO though you can take any of the greats that were superior to their peers of any era and the same thing would happen no matter which era you threw them in with the different equipment and training. The game will always be played by humans that run about 98.6 F and there will always be the blessed one's like the Babe.[/QUOTE]

              Very nicely put.
              People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                No reason to to think he wouldn't play as long and probably longer given today's advancements. Considering all the other factors, and knowing that he put up in 714 in those parks, with those conditions, even after wasting his first five years hitting a deadball, that 568 seems awful low. 868 would be more reasonable imo.
                Yeah, thats probably true that I underestimated his home run totals, but Ruth would also face relief pitchers and players of different races, which he did not ever get to play against. Babe's home run total would be very high, but it would depend on whether Babe would overcome his bad habits, which might hamper him a little bit in today's game.

                Here's my new prediction:
                Babe with bad habits: 450-570 home runs
                Babe with good habits: 675-775 home runs

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bill Burgess
                  I doubt if any of us can speculate on just what the Babe might have in mind. You're intellectually masturbating.

                  In his his life, Babe became a hostage to his own gift/fame. His fans were often so new/shallow that they'd actually boo no matter how well he played, if he gave no moonshots.

                  But today, he just might be free of those shackles, and surprise us all with the kind of ball he might prefer to show us. Instead of going 70 homers/.340, he just might decide to go 40/.400 as his baseline. He might decide to be a quite different kind of player and focus a lot more on his fielding/running/BA.

                  How can you guys get in his head and assume he'd still want to remain a stereo-type? I give him full credit for having the potential to surprise us all. He had the potential. Or what if he wanted to be Nolan Ryan? How can you guys know so much when I haven't the faintest clue?
                  Fair point.
                  “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

                  "Fill in any figure you want for that boy [Mantle]. Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Love The Game View Post
                    How different do you think The Babe's numbers would be if he played in this modern era of baseball.
                    Wait! We have to clarify before this kind of exercise can take place properly. (Trust me, I've been doing it here for 5 years straight).

                    1) Are we transporting Babe Ruth (born in hardscrabble Baltimore, 1895) in a time machine from his era to this one, without any prior exposure or training?

                    2) Are we assuming Ruth (same origin) is playing in the Major Leagues with some time to gain exposure, training and adjustment?

                    3) Or are we "timelining" Ruth? That is, are we assuming he is being born in the modern era, conferred with the modern advantages and disadvantages all players today face, relative to players of his actual era??

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bill Burgess
                      You're intellectually masturbating.

                      How can you guys know so much when I haven't the faintest clue?
                      Bill, you do realize that the hundreds of polls you've started, conducted, and demanded participation in have been nothing more than mental masturbation, correct? (thank you Woody Allen for coining the term).

                      Furthermore, how aren't all comparisons that are comprised of two players that played in different leagues and/or at different times anything really more than strict conjecture?????

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bill Burgess
                        Instead of going 70 homers/.340, he just might decide to go 40/.400 as his baseline.
                        Bill,
                        Not picking on you, but I have to inquire here....you don't actually believe someone could consciously try to go 40/.400 per season in today's game and do it, could you?

                        Even Babe Ruth?

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                        • #13
                          He'd probably go 16-6 on the hill and hit about 320 with 25 homers and 85 rbi as a dh
                          That by the way is in the same season

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lovethegame View Post
                            He'd probably go 16-6 on the hill and hit about 320 with 25 homers and 85 rbi as a dh
                            That by the way is in the same season
                            Last year, the lanky leadoff hitting Granderson hit 23 homers. You really think Ruth would only hit 2 more? We need to get real here. Understand what he did, when he did it, and in what parks he did it in. Would a guy like Ruth have his numbers suffer from facing more pitchers of color? Doubtful. Would his batting average lower (and strikeouts go up) due to more specialized relief pitching. Absolutely imo. However that is the only area where he'd be hurt. He put up 714 in a game that wasn't geared for homers. This game is. Imagine him with all his physical and mental gifts. With a helmet on, no fear of the pitcher coming inside, the small zone, a 34 ounce bat, a modern swing, the perfect hitters backdrops, the rock hard ball, in these parks. Forget about it. You thought 714 was something.
                            "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                            ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                              Last year, the lanky leadoff hitting Granderson hit 23 homers. You really think Ruth would only hit 2 more? We need to get real here. Understand what he did, when he did it, and in what parks he did it in. Would a guy like Ruth have his numbers suffer from facing more pitchers of color? Doubtful. Would his batting average lower (and strikeouts go up) due to more specialized relief pitching. Absolutely imo. However that is the only area where he'd be hurt. He put up 714 in a game that wasn't geared for homers. This game is. Imagine him with all his physical and mental gifts. With a helmet on, no fear of the pitcher coming inside, the small zone, a 34 ounce bat, a modern swing, the perfect hitters backdrops, the rock hard ball, in these parks. Forget about it. You thought 714 was something.
                              Didn't Ruth already have a "modern" swing? Or you talking about something more subltle here, Sultan?
                              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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