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  • soberdennis
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    Even though it does not meet the criteria listed above, there was one miracle that hasn't been mentioned that I think deserves some mention. That was the 78 Yankees. Of course, that was more like 51 than 69.

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  • dgarza
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Oh...OK.. Now I see the bullpen.
    But I'm still looking for the offense! Gotta magnifying glass?

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  • whoisonit
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    That bull pen stunk ! No wonder it was hardly used.

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by dgarza View Post
    Has any other team won so much with so non-existent a bullpen as this team?
    Maybe this team

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BSN/1878.shtml

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  • dgarza
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    You REALLY need to read up on the guys that won it the year before
    Has any other team won so much with so non-existent a bullpen as this team?

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by Olliemets View Post
    Easily the worst team to win the World Series in my lifetime.
    You REALLY need to read up on the guys that won it the year before

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  • Olliemets
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    88 Dodgers

    Easily the worst team to win the World Series in my lifetime, unless you count the 59 Dodgers when I was 1 year old.

    They rode an unbelievable performance by Hershiser and a Clutch Post Season by Gibson. The rest of that club was Guys like Micky Hatcher.

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  • dgarza
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    No WS winner rose as dramatically as the 1969 Mets, but here are a few close ones.

    1984 Tigers : Although they were heavily favored in the Series and did have a good 1983. But for a while (1974-1982) they were not very good.

    1997 or 2003 Marlins : Not bad for a team that never finished 1st.

    2002 Angels : Defeted Bonds. Although they had been a 2nd place team now and then in the mid/late 90s.

    1988 Dodgers : Although they were gross underdogs in the Series, they were a good team in the 80s. 1988 was the 4th time the Dodgers had made the post-season in the 80s, so they were not exactly losers.

    1987 Twins : "Pythagoras" would have said they should have been a 4th place team. They were a below average team according to both team ERA+ and team OPS+. They had a worse record in 1986 than they did in 1990.

    1982 Cardinals

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  • Colorado Express
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    The problem with the '91 Braves is...THEY DIDN'T WIN THE World Series!!! The Twins did and they also went worst-to-first!!!

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  • Captain Cold Nose
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    Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
    What about the Cardinals?
    As a Tiger fan, I didn't think they were facing an 83-win team, I thought they were facing a team that won the pennant two years earlier and had some really good players in a year where they had healthh issues during the regaulr season.

    It seemed like a great story in 1991 for the Braves, especially since they were so bad for so long before that for everyone to see on WTBS. Their staying powere simply showed a team that had matured and was not a fluky thing.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by Francoeurstein View Post
    Worst-First.
    At the time it seemed like a miracle, but looking back, considering they went to the playoffs the next 3,000 seasons, it is hard to be too mezmorised by the 1991 Braves. The Celtics went "worst-first" this year. Is that a miracle? No-it is aquiraing Garnett and Allen. You would expect them to get better. The Braved improved drasticaly by getting Bream, Liebrandt, Pendleton, Lemke etc., and Smoltz, Glavine broke out, and Justice and Gant got older and better. You would expect them to to be much better.

    My mistake regarding the Twins. I forgot how much of their roster turned over. Oops!

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  • Iron Jaw
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    Originally posted by HomeRunHomer View Post
    If the 2004 Cardinals (over 100 wins) played the 2006 Cardinals in a best-of-seven series,

    how would that go?
    In a short series, it depends upon who was hot that week. The best team doesn't always win the division series or NLCS.

    In the real playoff though, the full, 162-game season, the 2006 team finishes about 20 games behind the 2004 team and completely out of the race.

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  • Francoeurstein
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    Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
    A couple of observations:


    Looking back on the 1991 Braves, it is hard to see how they were a miracle.

    Worst-First.

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  • Colorado Express
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    To be the "next Miracle Mets", three criteria must be met...
    1st - a history of losing
    2nd - an unbelievable stretch run to win the division
    3rd - beat a heavy favorite to win the WS

    I couldn't find any teams that met all the criteria, but here would be my top 4 choices as "miracle" teams:

    '02 Angels - a huge run down the stretch won them the WC, then beat the heavily favored Yankees in the playoffs; won only 77 games the prior season
    '91 Twins - won the WS following a last place finish the season before; won only 74 games the prior season
    '88 Dodgers - beat the heavily favored Mets and Athletics to win the WS; had won only 73 games each of the two prior seasons
    '87 Twins - a true "miracle"; would have finished 5th in the AL East; hadn't had a winning season in 8 years; beat the VERY heavily favored Tigers and Cardinals to win the WS; gave up more runs than they scored; won only 71 games the prior season

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  • Colorado Express
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    Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
    As far as the Twins, the same core of players also won the WS 4 years earlier. No major miracle there.
    The Twins roster was nearly turned over from '87 to '91.

    C - Laudner > Harper
    2B - Lombardozzi > Knoblauch
    3B - Gaetti > Pagliarulo
    RF - Brunansky > Mack
    DH - Smalley > Davis
    SP - Blyleven > Morris
    SP - Viola > Tapani
    SP - Straker > Erickson
    SP - Smithson > Anderson
    SP - Niekro > West
    CL - Reardon > Aguilera

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