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  • Ryan Braun's first 162 games

    ok so technically its 163 games, BUT he only palyed 1 inning the other night and played 8 the next evening, so thats just like 162....


    .310/.351/.610 205 hits in 661 atbats, 41 doubles 8 triples 47 HR 134 RBI 116 runs 16 SB (8 CS) 38 walks 156 K, 143 OPS+ and 403 total bases



    the walk rate is horrible but Braun looks like he's the man so far!


    in historical context, who had the best first 162 games of their career?

  • #2
    Three of the greatest rookie seasons were Ted Williams, Frank Robinson and Mark McGwire. Not sure of their first 162.

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    • #3
      For Robinson and McGwire, go to baseball reference, and select gamelogs for the season in which they would play game 162. Under where it says CarGm on the left, click on the red 162, and you can see their career stats through game 162 (though OPS+ is missing). Game logs go back to 1956.
      "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

      - Alvin Dark

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      • #4
        Other good performances: Albert Pujols, Dick Allen, Tony Oliva, Carlton Fisk, Fred Lynn, Nomar Garciaparra,
        "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

        - Alvin Dark

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        • #5
          Pujols is a good one. His 1st 162 game were better than Braun's I think.

          Others : Willie McCovey, Babe Ruth


          Quite a few 19th Cent. players had better 162 game starts.

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          • #6
            Pujols played 161 games in his rookie season (2001). He had 590 ABs.

            .329/.403/.610, 157 OPS+, 363 TB, 37 HR, 130 RBI, 112 R, 69 BB, 93 K, 47 doubles, 194 H.

            One caveat is that Pujols was 21 in his rookie season while Braun was 23-24 years old over his first 163 games.
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #7
              Braun is up there as great, but I would still take Pujols over Braun, mainly because of the walk rate. Also ... I can't quite remember, but Pujols wasn't great on defense his rookie season, was he? Otherwise that would be another big one up for him as well...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Dude View Post
                Braun is up there as great, but I would still take Pujols over Braun, mainly because of the walk rate. Also ... I can't quite remember, but Pujols wasn't great on defense his rookie season, was he? Otherwise that would be another big one up for him as well...

                Pujols was a better defender than Braun in his first year (not like that's saying much!). Pujols had a fielding RAR2 of 17 and a RAA2 of 9 as a 3B compared to a -8 RAR2 and a -23 RAA2 for Braun.

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                • #9
                  Pujols wasn't the butcher at 3rd base that Braun was. He was even a plus in RF instead of a minus like Braun.

                  Pujols 3B 2001 52 games

                  FP .938 lg FP .950/RFg 2.75 lg RFg 2.17/RF9 3.15 lg RF9 2.57

                  Braun 3B 2007 112 games

                  FP .895 lg FP .954/RFg 1.98 lg RFg 2.25/RF9 2.11 lg RF9 2.68

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Blackout View Post
                    In historical context, who had the best first 162 games of their career?
                    Highest totals in first 162 games of a career:

                    Home Runs
                    55 Rudy York
                    53 Pete Alonso
                    51 Mark McGwire
                    50 Gary Sanchez
                    47 Ryan Braun

                    Hits
                    248 Ichiro Suzuki
                    242 Shoeless Joe Jackson
                    242 Joe DiMaggio
                    237 Lloyd Waner
                    236 Chuck Klein

                    Runs
                    154 Joe DiMaggio
                    146 Ted Williams
                    142 Lefty Davis
                    142 Lloyd Waner
                    141 Johnny Frederick

                    RBI
                    163 Rudy York
                    153 Ted Williams
                    152 Walt Dropo
                    149 Joe DiMaggio
                    145 Hal Trosky

                    Total Bases
                    423 Joe DiMaggio
                    421 Chuck Klein
                    401 Ryan Braun
                    384 Hal Trosky
                    375 Johnny Frederick & Ted Williams

                    XBH
                    98 Joe DiMaggio
                    95 Ryan Braun
                    94 Ted Williams
                    91 Hal Trosky
                    90 Albert Pujols & Chuck Klein

                    I haven't looked at rate stats yet but based on the counting stats I have to go with Joe DiMaggio. 242 hits, 154 runs, 149 RBI, 423 TB, and 98 XBH in his first 162 games. Insane!

                    Honorable mention to Rudy York for his 55 HR and 163 RBI (#1 all-time in both categories).
                    My top 10 players:

                    1. Babe Ruth
                    2. Barry Bonds
                    3. Ty Cobb
                    4. Ted Williams
                    5. Willie Mays
                    6. Alex Rodriguez
                    7. Hank Aaron
                    8. Honus Wagner
                    9. Lou Gehrig
                    10. Mickey Mantle

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                    • #11
                      I love it when a question gets answered twelve and a half years after it was asked. Was worth the wait!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by walter sobchak View Post
                        I love it when a question gets answered twelve and a half years after it was asked. Was worth the wait!
                        I detect some sarcasm
                        My top 10 players:

                        1. Babe Ruth
                        2. Barry Bonds
                        3. Ty Cobb
                        4. Ted Williams
                        5. Willie Mays
                        6. Alex Rodriguez
                        7. Hank Aaron
                        8. Honus Wagner
                        9. Lou Gehrig
                        10. Mickey Mantle

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                        • #13
                          I had forgotten just how good Ryan Braun was to start his career. His first six seasons were HOF quality. He may have even been the best player in the game for a short while in between Pujols and Trout.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by willshad View Post
                            I had forgotten just how good Ryan Braun was to start his career. His first six seasons were HOF quality. He may have even been the best player in the game for a short while in between Pujols and Trout.
                            Very true, in fact "HOF quality" may even be an understatement.

                            Braun is one of only two players in Major League history with 200+ home runs and a .310+ batting average through his first six seasons. The other is Albert Pujols.

                            If we lower the BA requirement to .300 that adds just one more player to the list - Frank Robinson.

                            In fact, Braun's numbers through six seasons are eerily similar to Robinson's. Braun played 883 games, Robinson played 888. Braun scored 614 runs, Robinson 618. Braun and Robinson each hit 202 home runs. Braun's OPS was .943, Robinson's was .946. Both players won 1 MVP in that span and twice led their league in OPS. Despite Braun's butchery at third base early on in his career which hampered his value, their WARs aren't too far off either - 37.4 for Robinson to 33.1 for Braun.
                            Last edited by GiambiJuice; Yesterday, 07:37 AM.
                            My top 10 players:

                            1. Babe Ruth
                            2. Barry Bonds
                            3. Ty Cobb
                            4. Ted Williams
                            5. Willie Mays
                            6. Alex Rodriguez
                            7. Hank Aaron
                            8. Honus Wagner
                            9. Lou Gehrig
                            10. Mickey Mantle

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                            • #15
                              Just for fun I did Tony Oliva, who had a more than decent first 162 (Using BB-Ref)

                              .323/.361/.552 30 HR 202 Hits 106 RS 85 RBI
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