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  • May 10, 1924: Ty Cobb Honored Before Game.
    Before a game at Griffith Stadium against the Senators, Senator Harris of Georgia, Rep. McLeod of Michigan and Rep. Bob Clancy of Michigan present a gift set of books to Ty Cobb. The collection of books were 20 famous historical biographies, to commemorate Ty's 20 seasons in the big leagues. The game proceedings were delayed for a few minutes to make the presentation. Thirteen US representatives were present on hand.

    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-26-2010, 06:17 AM.


    • Ty Cobb/John McGraw: 1927-----------------------------------March 9, 1928, Spring Training,

      --------------------------1927----------------------------------------------------- Shibe Park, 1927

      Ty steals home, April 26, 1927. The hallmark of Ty's career was perfect mechanics. Here he shows perfect technical mechanics. Total relaxation, leaning all the way back, presenting only his shoes to tag.

      This was the 7th inning against the Red Sox. Opposing pitcher/catcher battery: Tony Welzer/Grover Hartly. Ty was at the front end of a double steal. This was the second of his 3 successful steals of home in 1927. He would only get one more the next season

      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 06-02-2009, 07:43 PM.


      • ----------------Ty Cobb, 1927, as a Phil. A, Shibe Park


        Philadelphia Athletics, 1928.
        Last edited by Bill Burgess; 12-28-2011, 02:40 PM.


        • April 25, 1913: Ending his holdout and signing with Frank Navin.

          With Detroit Tigers' owner, Frank Navin, signing his 1911 contract.

          February 10, 1927: Ty formally signs to play for Connie Mack's A's for the 1927 season. Tom Shibe, owner of the team, looks on.

          November 2, 1927: So soon as waivers are received from all American League clubs, Ty Cobb will be free to negotiate for another job for next year. He was cut adrift by the Athletics, who are unable to continue his high salary-believed to be 60,000 and bonus. Ty (right) is shown with Manger Connie Mack during conference preceding announcement of release in Philadelphia.

          Last edited by Bill Burgess; 08-22-2009, 10:28 PM.


          • Ty's 2nd Wife: Frances (Fairbairn) Cass:

            Father: John F. Fairbairn, Buffalo, NY otolaryngologist (ear,nose,throat); 1st husband William R. Cass, died in plane crash in Catskills, NY(June 13, 1934). She married 2nd husband, J. Allen Fusca (1937) and divorced him (July 23, 1949 in Reno, NV) for cruelty.
            Frances was with Ty when they dedicated the hospital that he had donated $100,000 towards, January 22, 1950. He contributed the money in the names of his parents. The federal gov. donated $72,000 more towards the hospital in Royston, GA.
            The total cost was $210,000. It was a 40-bed, one-story, red-brick structure. Ty had planned for the hospital since 1945. Ty & Frances wed in Buffalo, NY. They planned to live at Ty's residence in Glenbrook, NV.

            At her father's summer home in Point Abaino, Ontario, ----------------- -------------------------A week after marrying his 2nd wife, Frances Cass, October, 1949, Stork Club, NYC
            shortly before they married on September 24, 1949.----------------------------------------Frances finally died June 17, 2000 in Exeter, NH at the age of 90. Her name then was Frances McGrath.

            With wife, Charlie, daughter, Shirley, 1910.----------------------------------With sports writer Grantland Rice, Hall of Fame ceremonies, 1939.

            The Gang's all here. Ty's Tribe.--Pre-1936.
            L-R: Mother Amanda, brother Paul, Paul's wife, sister Florence, wife Charlie, Ty.--------------Ty with his mother. 1920's or 30's.

            Last edited by Bill Burgess; 12-28-2011, 02:45 PM.


            • Ty Cobb/family sight-seeing in Paris following his retirement from baseball, early 1929.----At home in Atherton, CA, February, 1953

              Ford Frick organized baseball's Diamond Jubilee, February 2, 1951, Broadway Central Hotel.

              1909 Detroit Tigers, 98-54, .645; 3.5 games ahead; (WS: L 4-3 to Pirates)---BB-Reference

              Top Row: L-R: Harry Tuthill (trainer), Tom Jones, Charlie 'Bossman' Schmidt, Bill Lelivelt, Del Gaynor, Sam Crawford, Matty McIntyre, Ed Killian, Oscar Stanage, Heinie Beckendorf, George Mullen.

              Bottom Row: L-R: Davy Jones, Ed Willett, George Moriarty, Ed Summers, Hughie Jennings (Mgr.), Bill Donovan, Ralph Works, Ty Cobb.

              Seated at bottom: L-R: Donnie Bush, Charlie O'Leary, Jim Delahanty, George 'Kid' Speers.

              Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-13-2011, 12:38 PM.


              • Ty Cobb in his civilian clothes, probably from 1920.-----------------------Captain Tyrus Raymond Cobb, Allied Expeditionary Force, 1918.

                Ty and wife Charlie: late 1918.
                L-R: daughter Shirley, baby Herschel, son, Ty, Jr.

                Last edited by Bill Burgess; 06-03-2009, 03:28 PM.


                • Ty & the family, March, 1923.
                  L-R: Shirley, Ty, infant Jimmie, Ty, Jr., Beverly, wife Charlie, Herschel.
                  Tyrus Raymond Cobb, Jr., (son), born, January 30, 1910 - September 9, 1952, age 42, brain tumor. Dublin, GA doctor until 1951, when he was diagnosed with malignant brain tumor. Treated unsuccessfully by New York brain specialists, he returned to the Menlo Park, CA, home of his mother, who looked after him until his death. (Med.Coll.S.Carolina - obstetrics)
                  Shirley Marion (Cobb) Beckworth, (daughter), born June 2, 1911 - January 19, 1991, age 80. Owner-operator of a small independent bookshop on University Ave., Palo Alto, CA, (1938 - April, 1985), "Shirley Cobb Books"; She was a Red Cross volunteer in WWII, serving in Italy, Japan, & France, thusly richly earning the Medal of Freedom. Shirley met her future husband Richard D. (Dixie) Beckworth in Japan. Beckworth, of Atherton, CA, drowned while on a fishing trip at Lake Tahoe, Nevada, October 4, 1965, at the age of 42.
                  Shirley was stricken with a debilitating stroke in 1971, paralyzing the left side of her body. After that, she was a figurehead at her shop from 1971-84. She personified personalized book selling and was a much loved part of the cultural life of downtown Palo Alto, CA.
                  Herschel Roswell Cobb, (son), September 29, 1917 - April 13, 1951, age 33, heart attack. Grew potatoes during WWII (Idaho Falls, ID), Worked for Coke (Bend, OR), moved Santa Maria, CA; Became Pres. of Santa Maria Coca-Cola Co. & Coast Distributing Co. Was stricken in a hotel at Paso Robles, CA where he operated a branch bottling co. d. heart attack
                  Beverly (Cobb) McLaren, (daughter), September 19, 1919 - February 16, 1998, age 78. Attended Mills College in Oakland, CA. married Thomas McLaren. Spent Ty's last 2 weeks by his deathbed. Ty, supposedly apologized to his family for much of his dementia before he passed. d. at 1375 Corinne Lane, Menlo Park, CA 94025
                  James Howell (Jimmy) Cobb, (son), July 24, 1921 - November 4, 1996, age 75. Lockheed Aircraft Corp.;
                  When Ty died, he left stock worth $11,780,000. He had $10m in General Motors stock and $1,780,000 in Coca-Cola stock. He left one fourth to his 2 charities (a hospital/Georgia college scholarship), and the remaining 75% to his 3 surviving kids & grand-children.

                  Last edited by Bill Burgess; 12-28-2011, 02:46 PM.


                  • Ty Cobb/Christy Mathewson, 1911 World Series
                    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 06-03-2009, 04:18 PM.


                    • Ty Cobb, 1908-13. Clowning for the camera.
                      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 06-03-2009, 04:34 PM.


                      • In the attempt to be useful to others, here are a few tid-bits I showed in the past, but some might have missed them. So, in case that happened, here are a few helpful hints.
                        Another website which might be useful is one which shows the uniforms that ML teams have used since the beginning to the present. Most of it is based on the work of Marc Okkonen. It is his great work on uniforms that I use to date the photos in the Historical Photographic Archive. I date all my baseball photos using that book. (Baseball Uniforms of the 20th Century: The Official ML BB Guide, Researched, Illustrated & Written by Marc Okkonen, 1993.)

                        If one doesn't happen to own that book, but still wishes to date the photos in their own library of baseball books, they can still accomplish that goal by use of this website. Those images of those uniforms are used on this site, as well as pre-1900, and post 1993, the year of the books last publication.

                        If one wishes to view the files below, but doesn't have Microsoft's Office installed on their hard drive, they will probably not be able to open the following Excel spreadsheet files. So, one may have to go to the following website to correct this situation.

                        If one goes to this site, you can then download a program for free, Excel Viewer 2003, which will allow one to then open and view Excel files ever after. Here it is. Then, for the very first time, others can see my work. (Microsoft Office would have taken 191 MB of space on one's hard drive, while Excel Viewer 2003 takes 30.96 MB of space.)

                        Links to Bill Burgess' work:

                        ---My Personal Webpage
                        ---Reference & Research of Sports & Entertainment figures:
                        ---Negro Leagues: Birth/Death Dates of some prominent Negro L. players
                        ---Sports Writers Index: Over 600 sports writers
                        ---Assessing Ty: Deposing the witnesses. What Ty's peers actually said.
                        ---Baseball Familes
                        ---All-Star All-Star Teams: 130 Prominent BB Figures give their teams.
                        ---Cobb, Ruth, Wagner Supporters
                        ---Early Player Profiles
                        ---Ty Cobb's World Series

                        Wouldn't mind feedback, if anyone has any.
                        Westfield says something nice to me.

                        Great work Sir,
                        I especially enjoyed the All Star team research you did-nice to be able to compare Stan M. with Bill Dickey's teams.
                        ShoelessJoe3 says something kind to me too.

                        As usual Bill, another one of your fine contributions to the board. Enjoy all that you send our way, words and pics, love those seldom seen pictures of the guys that played this great game so long ago.
                        The Cobb: 05-30-2007, 09:03 AM

                        There were a lot of great photos there that I had never seen.
                        Last edited by Bill Burgess; 01-10-2009, 12:34 PM.


                        • Versatile Baseball Players:

                          In its early days, baseball produced some amazingly versatile ballplayers. Of course, since specialization hadn't set in so deeply, many players made the big time on the strength of their ability to fill in anywhere on the diamond and still perform at a high level. The Negro Leagues were also famed for the versatility of their players. Many pitchers played non-pitching positions, and many position players pitched very well. Some of the most versatile players then, and some of the ones since then were:
                          Honus Wagner---Buck Ewing---King Kelly----Jim O'Rourke
                          SS - 1,886 g----C - 636 g--OF - 750-------OF - 1,377
                          OF -   372 g---1B - 253-----C - 583--------C -   209
                          1B -   248 g---OF - 235----3B  - 96-------3B -   119
                          3B -   209-----3B - 127----SS  - 90-------1B -   103
                           P - ----2-----2B -  51----2B  - 53--------P -     6
                          ---------------SS -  34----1B  - 25
                          ----------------P  -  9-----P  - 12
                          Deacon White--Charlie Ferguson---P.Rose---Killebrew----Foxx------D.Allen
                          3B - 826 g----------P - 183----OF- 1,327---1B - 969---1B -1,919--1B - 807
                           C - 226 g---------OF -  53----1B -  939---3B - 791---3B -  141--3B - 652
                          1B - 131-----------2B -  27----3B -  634---OF - 470----C    108--OF - 256
                          OF - 112-----------3B -   5----2B -  628---2B -  11----P  -  10
                           P -   2
                          Bresnahan--George Davis---M. Ward----T.Leach-----Biggio------Grich
                           C - 974---SS - 1,372-----SS - 826---OF - 1,087--2B - 1,746--2B - 1,765
                          OF - 281---3B -   527-----2B - 491---3B -   955---C -   427--SS -   159
                          3B -  42---OF -   303------P  -292---SS -    64--OF -   363--1B -    71                                        
                          1B -  33---2B -   113-----OF - 215---2B -    14              3B -    49  
                          2B -  28---1B -    41-----3B -  46
                          SS -   8----P -     3
                           P  -  9----
                          Last edited by Bill Burgess; 03-01-2009, 09:03 AM.


                          • Wesley Fricks' article on Ty Cobb:

                            TY COBB Was Not A Racist!


                            TY COBB's INFLUENCE ON BLACKS.

                            February 19, 2006

                            Dear Friends:

                            As I have recognized a need to present facts about Ty's relationships with blacks, I have enclosed some material that advocates TY COBB’s support for blacks and other minorities. This is to provide facts supporting the reality that the negative publicity came after TY COBB died in 1961. I also enclosed several articles, but interestingly, one that I found where his son, Jim Cobb, made the exact same assessment in 1977.

                            My friends, if you were to research the facts, you’ll find that Mr. Cobb was different than he is portrayed in the eye of the modern public. He was rich with popularity and writers could always count on his name to generate interest in their newspaper. Mr. Cobb was a charitable natured man who actually was soft for the minority, whether the minority was someone who had different colored skin, or handicapped, or someone who was less fortunate, or even someone who was small in size. He would always tell the little fellow who was standing in the back and could not get close to come to the front. He wanted to make sure they got a chance, too.

                            In the late 1920’s, TY COBB leased a hunting preserve with over 12,000 acres in MaGruder, Georgia, and built a house on it for a black man, named Uncle Bob Robinson, and his family to live there. In place of the rent, they would make sure no intruders trespassed on the property. Anytime Cobb and his friends were hunting on the land, this fellow, by his own choice, would always hunt along beside COBB. At times, he would entertain the guest with his story telling.

                            After a long day of hunting, they would gather around a campfire and talk baseball, or whatever came to mind. On this particular day, COBB had bagged twelve birds and had not missed a one (Mr. Cobb was a crack shot). Mr. Robinson told the story to Tris Speaker and the others, “Yeah, Mr. COBB had a bad day today.” What do you mean, Cobb bagged twelve birds and didn’t miss,” said Speaker. “Yeah, but he near ‘bout missed one,” recounted Mr. Robinson.

                            Present day authors have distorted COBB’s reputation to a point of the ridiculous. For example, in the book “COBB” that the movie “COBB” was based on tried to show that COBB hosted orgies and drinking parties. I have the contract agreement on the land and it clearly states that there was to be “absolutely NO alcohol on the premises.” This was at Major League Baseball’s Brunswick, Georgia retreat. It was called “Dover Hall Club” and TY COBB was 1/16 part owner of the 2,500 acre hunting and fishing camp. The MLB magnates owned it from the early 1910s until the late 1930s. COBB was the only player of the sixteen investors who bought into the $1,000 stock-leasing plan.

                            Mr. Cobb was in financial straits in the spring of 1906, but by the end of 1907 he had worked and saved his money. He began investing it in real estate in Georgia. In 1908, he bought 15 acres in Toccoa, Georgia and built and remodeled some of the nicest little homes, in a predominately black neighborhood. He named the subdivision “Booker T. Washington Heights,” and financed these homes to these residents for a minimal amount.

                            He owned the property until 1940 and he turned it over to his son, Herschel Cobb, to assist him with starting him a Coca-Cola franchise in Idaho. One transaction sold a lot (#22) to J. H. Johnson for only $42.50 in 1909. It was a relatively good price even for that era. There were 109 lots in Booker T. Washington Heights.

                            I hear a great deal about COBB’s racism in the present, especially on the Internet, but no one ever does or has actually have provided factual or even specifics about their racial allegations. If COBB had been a racist, some newspaperman would have made remarks about the specifics in some way. I have over 40,000 newspaper articles, and NOT one article makes any correlation to TY COBB being a racist. All the evidence demonstrate COBB’s support for the advancement of colored people, and yet, there is NO evidence that give any indication that Mr. COBB made any movement toward oppressing the black population.

                            Contrary, when Jackie Robinson entered into the Major Leagues, it began a slow process of allowing blacks to began entering into every league in the country. When the Dallas club of the Texas League was considering allowing blacks to enter, COBB was there to bat for them.

                            Ty Cobb, Fiery Diamond Star, Favors Negroes In Baseball
                            Independent Journal - January 29th, 1952

                            MENLO PARK (AP) Tyrus Raymond Cobb, fiery old time star of the diamond, stepped up to the plate today to clout a verbal home run in favor of Negroes in baseball.
                            Himself a native of the Deep South, Cobb voiced approval of the recent decision of the Dallas club to use Negro players if they came up to Texas league caliber.
                            The old Georgia Peach of Detroit Tigers fame was a fighter from the word go during his brilliant playing career. He neither asked for nor gave quarter in 24 tumultuous years in the American League. Time has mellowed the one time firebrand and he views the sport in the pleasant role of a country squire. He spoke emphatically on the subject of Negroes in baseball, however.
                            "Certainly it is O.K. for them to play," he said, "I see no reason in the world why we shouldn't compete with colored athletes as long as they conduct themselves with politeness and gentility. Let me say also that no white man has the right to be less of a gentleman than a colored man, in my book that goes not only for baseball but in all walks of life.”
                            "I like them, (Negro race) personally. When I was little I had a colored mammy. I played with colored children."
                            Referring again to last week's developments in the Texas league, Cobb declared, "It was bound to come." He meant the breaking down of Baseball's racial barriers in the old south.
                            Cobb expressed the belief Negroes eventually would be playing in every league in the country. He concluded with: "Why not, as long as they deport themselves like gentlemen?"

                            TY COBB did have an altercation with at least four African-Americans during his lifetime, but I have all the documents from these incidents, and in every case, the problem can be traced back to an action, not related to racism, that was committed by COBB himself, the black person, or a third party, that cause the issue to escalate into an altercation. I am not going to discourse tediously on who was at fault in either of the incidents because I only want to exhibit that there was a reason that the incidents happened that had nothing to do with color. And I must mention that COBB’s incidents with whites far exceed the number of occurrences with the blacks.

                            TY COBB was not a racist, he did not sharpen his spikes to slash other players just to steal a base, he did not kill a man in Detroit as alleged by recent nickel writers, and he did not live the life of a bigot. Contrary to those myths, TY COBB exerted a kindness toward blacks. One of his fondest memories of his youth was being taught how to swim by a black laborer named, Uncle Ezra. Ezra would get young TY to cling to his neck and wade out into the middle of the river or stream. At this point, TY would be released and forced to swim back to the riverbank.

                            Blacks lived in COBB’s house behind his home on Williams Street there in Augusta. COBB employed blacks the whole time he lived on the “Hill”. Emaline Cosey lived with and worked for TY COBB in 1920.

                            Jimmy Lanier grew up in Augusta with one of TY COBB’s sons. Jimmy has told a story many times about him and Herschel going to the Rialto Theater in downtown Augusta to see one of them shoot’em up movies. “We came out of the theater and Mr. Cobb, like a father, was waiting on the other side of the road,” claimed Lanier. “As we were getting into the car, Mr. Cobb overheard the owner of a nearby restaurant explaining to a man dressed in shabby clothes how to get to the Linwood Hospital – a veterans hospital. Mr. Cobb interrupts and says, ‘Son, I’ll take you there.’

                            “The man stood on the running board of Mr. Cobb’s La Salle coupe, and they were talking back and forth, and this man was a veteran of World War I. When they pulled up to the gate at the Linwood Hospital, I saw Mr. Cobb hand this man a $20 bill. Herschel was looking off at somewhere else, but I saw what Mr. Cobb done. It was incidents like this that never made it to the press,” concluded Lanier.

                            Friends, I believe that one of Mr. Cobb’s problems was that he never looked for credit for anything that he done. He could never boast of his philanthropic nature that would put celebrities like Babe Ruth or Joe DiMaggio riding on the crest of publicity. And two, he never refuted accusation against him publicly. If someone alleged that he had spiked another player intentionally, he gave an explanation only to the person or people that it mattered to most, like owner of the Tigers or President of the American League, but very seldom to the press. If he would have stood up and said to people, “You are wrong” or “That is not true,” maybe these present day authors would have had less room to reinvent his reputation to their own liking.

                            TY COBB was a close associate to the 2nd Commissioner of baseball, Albert B. “Happy” Chandler, who was head of the baseball realm when Jackie Robinson entered into Major League baseball. COBB was a big supporter of Chandler. In a press interview on August th, 1950, COBB shared his support for Chandler, “So far, Chandler has lived up to everything that I thought he could do as a commissioner. To me, every one of his decisions have been fair.” The article goes on explaining COBB’s support for “Happy.” Three years later, he was elected to serve as member of the Board of Trustees of the COBB Educational Foundation.

                            The Foundation contributed $2,800.00 in scholarships the first year. Fifty years later the annual grants have reached well over a $500,000 dollars. As of July, 2003, the Foundation has provided scholarships to 6,876 students, equaling $9,743,000. dollars.

                            Thanks to his charitable nature, Ty Cobb has made it possible for thousands of students of Georgia to achieve a higher mark in education. There is no limit to what this Foundation can provide to future students who truly want an education. One thing is certain; it is bound to generate a winning team of students in this great state of Georgia.

                            And as I mention frequently, I could go on forever talking about great things that Mr. COBB did to enrich the lives of other people. He did this without any expectations from the recipient or others who witnessed his philanthropic deeds. In an interview in the mid 1950s, Mr. COBB made this statement, “You’ve ask me about this Cobb Educational Fund, and now I’m going to have to answer it. I do not wish to be eulogized for what I have done. I’m proud of it, yes. This Educational Fund has given me the greatest possible happiness and pleasure, and maybe when I’m gone we’ll have some real great men developed out of the Cobb Educational Foundation.”

                            The TY COBB Healthcare Systems, Inc provide jobs to thousands of healthcare professionals in northeast Georgia, and I know personally, and young black fellow that I went to school with who works for the healthcare system and has made a huge impact on the community. He got his start at the COBB Memorial Hospital and now is a providing much leadership in the direction of the city.

                            TY COBB’s father was a Georgia State Senator from the 31st District who voted against a bill introduced and approved by the Senate that allowed taxes deriving only from black properties to finance the black schools. This was in 1900. He stated in the Atlanta Constitution that the “Negroes had done, and were doing a good deal for the up building of the state, and I am in favor of allowing them money for education.” He believed that the race should be protected from class legislation.

                            TY COBB set more records in baseball than any other player. He was the first player inducted into baseball’s Hall of Fame in 1936. He was the most celebrated athlete in baseball’s history.

                            In 1950, COBB dedicated the new hospital in Royston, Georgia to provide medical attention to the region. In Dr. J. B. Gilbert, COBB found one of the finest African-American doctors to serve the black population, and this was before desegregation. Dr. Gilbert also serviced white patients and later became Chief of Staff at the COBB Memorial Hospital (See photo below). Dr. Gilbert’s daughter remembers TY COBB visiting the home when she was just a young lady. COBB signed baseballs for all three of Dr. Gilbert’s grandchildren.

                            In 1953, COBB established the TY COBB Educational Foundation to give scholarships to needy students in Georgia. Hundreds and hundreds of young black students have become a beneficiary of this educational fund.

                            Alexander George Washington Rivers was a black employee of COBB for 18 years and named his first-born Ty Cobb Rivers, “Even if it would have been a gal, Ah would have named her the same,” Rivers relayed to his friends in an interview with The Detroit News. Rivers served as COBB’s batboy, chauffeur, general handyman, and was an avid supporter of the famed “Georgia Peach.”

                            After 22 seasons with Detroit, COBB joined the Philadelphia Athletics to finish out his twenty-four year career. Rivers followed COBB, “I wasn’t exactly against the Tigers, but I still had to be for Mr. Ty.”

                            TY COBB’s racial reputation came only after he had died in 1961. Racial reform should not be fought at the expense of a man who helped make Baseball a great sport for colored people to enjoy, too.

                            COBB loved Augusta! He did not just live there for a while – it was his home. He raised all of his children there. He lived at 2425 William Street in the Summerville district. He held common and preferred stock in the Augusta Chronicle. He sold Hawkeye trucks there in the Augusta area. He was president and principle owner of the TY COBB Tire Co. on Broad Street. He owned the TY COBB Beverage Co. who had their office at 313 in the Leonard Building. He was one of three principle owners in the City Bank of Thomson. He hunted and fished in all parts of the Augusta area and even down the Savannah River. He was on the Board of Directors of the First National Bank in Lavonia, Georgia for all his professional life.

                            He coached and umpired some at the Richmond County YMCA and in the Nehi League. He entered his girls into beauty pageants, horse shows and musical recitals. He helped the city authorities host outside guest. When a large group of Philadelphia businessmen came to Augusta, COBB participated in a first-of-its-kind aeroplane golf tournament for the visiting spectators. COBB owned a great deal of property in the city.

                            One piece of land was 444.72 acres south of Spirit Creek and the Augusta Orphan Asylum. Mr. COBB owned the properties on the east side of Tuttle, between Fenwick and Jenkins Streets; corner of Broad and Seventh (McIntosh); ten acres, five miles out on old Milledgeville Rd.; two lots on the corner of Druid Park and Gwinnett Street; southwest corner of Twiggs and Boyd’s Alley containing five lots; four lots close to the corner of Phillip Street and Walton Way; and the COBB’s property list goes on and on. Looking over the Richmond County Court documents, it appears to me that in some cases COBB loaned money to help prevent foreclosure on some of the properties.

                            He lived adjacent to a dentist that started the South Atlantic League back up after it shutdown during the depression. Eugene Wilder worked as secretary to the Mayor of Augusta for many years, and was an admirer of COBB’s. When COBB entered the United States Army in 1918, he left Dr. Wilder instructions and money he had set aside for his famous prize dog, “Cobb’s Hall,” in case he failed to return from the war. COBB served as a Captain in the Chemical Warfare Division over in France at the close of the war.

                            COBB also became part owner of the Augusta Tourist in 1922. The team name was later changed to Augusta Tygers to honor COBB. He developed many young athletes into strong competitors. He managed the Detroit Tigers from 1921-1926, and during that time, a Detroit batter won the batting title 4 out of 6 years. He was a great teacher, and loved to devote his time to helping others advance.

                            TY COBB was always concerned about the advancement of the city of Augusta. He was always striving to promote and stimulate the city’s economy. He donated his vehicle to the fire station to be auctioned off. He owned numerous businesses in Augusta and drew people of every nature to the city. He once hosted the sole owner of the Diamond Tire Company who came down from up north. There were a couple of Presidents of the United States that COBB became acquainted with on the streets of Augusta.

                            In closing, I just want to say that all these little things add up to give us plenty of reason to say that COBB deserves being memorialized with a stadium. Especially from his home city, a place that he helped to make a wonderful place to live and work. If the people of Augusta do not want COBB’s name on the Olmstead Stadium, that's up to them – I don’t live there. But I can’t sit an allow people to say such negative remarks such as “COBB was a racist” without at least trying to educate the public on the absolute truth.

                            I would hope that if there is this much of an issue in naming the stadium, period, then it might be apprehended that there is a greater force that is calling us to name the facility “COBB MEMORIAL STADIUM,” or something that would commemorate the great Georgia athlete. “GEORGIA PEACH STADIUM” may be a happy medium that would satisfy both sides of the debate.

                            At any rate, my position is only to educate and pass on the information that is sometimes forgotten or unknown. I hope that I have provided you with enough information that it may give you a different perspective on who TY COBB really was. I have enclosed different passages and material that you can read and see more aspects of TY COBB and his legacy. This is only a speck in the sand of the material that I possess on this great athlete. I would be happy to assist you or your colleagues in any capacity should that be your desire. I hope that you will be enlightened and receptive to this information, and I hope that it will assist everyone in the reconstruction of his or her opinion of TY COBB. I want to leave you with words straight from TY COBB’s own personality, “I like them, personally. When I was little I had a colored Mammy. I played with colored children.”

                            Wesley Fricks
                            TY COBB Historian

                            I hope you all will address whatever Ty questions to him that I couldn't address to your satisfaction. He is also familiar with the deadball era of baseball.
                            Wesley's Biography:

                            John Wesley Fricks was born in Atlanta February 3, 1971 and moved to Royston, Georgia in 1974. He grew up on COBB St., one block away from the old COBB home place.

                            He got involved on the ground floor of the creation of the TY COBB Museum in January 1998. Wesley worked six months with Museum Director and Planning and Development Committee to establish this memorial to baseball’s most celebrated athlete. He was slated to be the Keynote Speaker at the opening ceremonies on July 17th until Phil Neikro’s services was secured. It was the year Neikro was inducted into baseball’s Hall of Fame.

                            He continued to work with the new Committee established, the TY COBB Advisory Committee, to continue to upgrade and enhance the material inside the Museum. Just last year, the TY COBB Educational Foundation was celebrating fifty years of giving scholarships to needy Georgia students. They were interested in getting a display in our Museum. Wesley was asked to work with a team to provide this outlet for the TCEF to get some exposure. He was asked to write a video script with only three days to get it done. He scored and scored big with his creation of the TCEF DVD video that is a wonderful addition to the Museum.

                            Wesley was the keynote speaker at the Museum’s October 2003 unveiling of the TCEF display. He also designed the baseball card that was released on the same day. His contribution to the TY COBB Museum has been tireless and energetic.

                            Wesley has been a pillar of strength for TY COBB’s legacy over the last decade, participating in baseball symposiums, television shows, and was even asked by Major League Baseball Productions for an interview at Turner Field in Atlanta to be on Baseball’s All-Century Team video in 1999. He was interviewed again at Turner Field in 2002 for Turner South’s Liars & Legends show that featured TY COBB.

                            Wesley has continued to do follow up with people from all over the country who contact the Museum for various purposes. His professionalism and knowledge of Ty Cobb baseball during that era has made a significant impact on what we do here at the Museum.

                            TY COBB Museum

                            October 5, 1949, greeting Don Newcombe, Dodger P,
                            before Game 1 of the 1949 World Series
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                            • The Demise of American Icon Institutions:

                              One of the shocking things to contemplate is that some of the most cherished institutions in American history, might not survive the Internet into the future.

                              Yes, it's very true. Newspapers, books, music CDs, phone companies, movie theaters, and other instituions are fighting hard for their survival. And its not as if they've done anything wrong! Without making any mistakes, the phenomenal technology, the internet and digital technology, have so changed the face of the way the world does business, that American icon industries may not survive, at least not in their traditional form.

                              Every newspaper in the world is battling for its very survival, a survival they will probably not be able to make. They all peaked in circulation in the 1990's, but since then, with the advent of the internet and the easy access from the home and libraries, the way the world gets its news has transformed and in a shockingly quick time-frame. In a desperate attempt to stay relevant, all the most prestigious newspapers have launched a version of their print newspapers online. At first they charged for it, but then they made them for free, and hoped online advertising would even the score. But it didn't work. The revenue from online advertising doesn't come near to the advertising revenue they've lost in their print newspapers. Not anywhere close.

                              Telephone companies have lost vast amounts of revenue due to people communicating with email, texting, instant messaging, etc. At its peak, AT&T charged 29 cents per minute. Then MCI led the charge for lower rates. Then came 'Friends and Family circles'. Then flat-rate phone plans. Now, it is common for companies to offer unlimited calling plans for under $25./month. They say there is minimum profits in telephone service. The telephone companies have tried to offset their losses with cell-phone features with every application under the sun. So, a cell-phone is no longer just a phone, but a small, portable computer. The current race is to see what size device the public will support in a portable computer that is smaller than a laptop but bigger than a cell-phone. A compromise size, like a hand-held or palm-held. Blackberry is a brand that is presently popular.

                              The book publishing industry is said to be taking a beating, too. People are publishing books online, and doing it themselves without a publisher with desk-top publishing. The profits are probably not as good, as many people still want something they can hold in their hands.

                              Magazines and all print media are also fighting a desperate fight to remain relevant. The big problem of course is that with such ease of getting news online today, people are just really reluctant to spend money on the old cherished means of receiving and storing information.

                              The music industry has been on the ropes ever since people started putting songs on the internet without the permission of the record labels, or copy-right holders. Napster was the original 'outlaw'. It was finally shut down by the record labels. But that didn't stop the people from putting songs online anyway. Napster was eventually re-launched in alliance with the record labels. But even with the option of listening to the music with legal permission for around $15/month, the people have decided to listen to their favorite songs for free anyway without permission.

                              It remains to be seen how long the record labels will be able to survive without the support of fans who are willing to buy their music CDs. Websites like has almost any song for free listening. It is curious how has escaped legal lawsuits for copy-right infringements, when that was what brought down the original Napster.

                              Movie theaters are not doing the same business as they used to, due to companies like Comcast offering movies for free and for $4/movie on its On Demand service. Companies that used to be American favorites like Blockbusters, Tower Record have not been able to come up with marketing strategies to combat the availability of their inventories online for free.

                              Blockbuster started in 1985 & at its 2009 peak, Blockbuster had over 4,000 US stores. It filed for bankruptcy in 2010 due to competition from Netflix and video on-demand.

                              Similar megastore chain Tower Records filed for bankruptcy in 2006. It succumbed to mass discounters, internet 'piracy', mismanagement, managerial incompetence and crippling restrictions from its first bankruptcy agreement. It was bought by Great American Group at auction.

                              It will be curious to find out how we Americans receive our services in the future. It can be imagined that musicians will negotiate record deals with online companies, or maybe they will be able to market themselves online directly, and thereby cut out the middle men, as would be ideal.

                              It would be strange to imagine a world without the New York Times. The flagship of newspapers, and the model of journalism excellence. They won 108 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other news organization. Its website is the most popular American online newspaper website, receiving more than 30 million unique visitors per month.

                              Here is an excellent article on how the New York Times' publisher Arthur Sulzberger is fighting desperately to not let the Times go out of business.

                              Many visionaries now forsee the convergence of the TV, computer and phone industries into one single technology.

                              Others forsee phone service becoming virtually free, with the companies trying to make their profits from related services like video functions, internet connection, texting, music access, etc.

                              The future might be exciting for consumers, even as its dauntingly dire and scarey for the providers. It is a high-stakes roll of the dice for those trying to anticipate how best to provide services to a fickle and money-strapped customers base. Time will tell.

                              Iconic American institutions that went out of business.

                              AT & T - Was a government-sanctioned monopoly from 1879 to 1982, when competition was allowed. AT & T was broken up into 7 regional local phone companies (Baby Bells), Western Electric, and long-distance phone company, AT & T. The long-distance company went out of business in 2005, when it was purchased by Baby Bell SBC Communications, mainly for its name value. SBC immediately rebranded itself as AT&T, which it uses to this day.

                              Gimbels Department Store - Famous department store rival to Macy's in NYC for decades. Founded 1887, went out of business, 1987.

                              Orange Julius - Famous beverage fruit drink chain stores. Founded 1926, they were bought in 1987 by Dairy Queen and are still available in their stores.

                              Tower Records - 1960 - 2006

                              Blockbuster - 1985 - 2010

                              MCI - Founded 1963, it was purchased by WorldCom in 1998, and the combined company was purchased by Verizon in 2006.

                              Borders Books - 1971 - 2011. Started in Ann Arbor, MI as an international book and music retailer. At its peak, it employed 19,500 people in 511 stores. Filed bamkruptcy in 2011 and began liquidating its stores with the last ones closing September 18, 2011.

                              Oldsmobile - GM closed this division of its operation in 2009. It had produced them since 1897.

                              Montgomery Ward - 1872 - 2011

                              Circuit City - 1949 - 2009

                              Grant's Department Stores - 1906 - 1976

                              Mervyns - 1949 - 2009

                              Pan American - 1927 - 1991

                              American Airlines - 1930 - 2011

                              TWA - 1930 - 1985

                              Woolworth - 1879 - 1997

                              Sam Goody - 1955 - 2006. Was purchased in 1978 by rival Musicland, but prospered until much later.

                              RCA - 1919 - 1986

                              Crown Books - 1977 - 2001

                              B. Dalton Books - 1966 - 2010
                              In the meantime, some iconic American institutions only survived due to government intervention.

                              Harley Davidson - 1905 - present. The company was only saved from bankruptcy when the US government administration of President Reagan imposed a 1983 45% tariff on imported motorcycles.

                              Lockhead - 1912 - present. Aircraft company was drowning in debt, and in 1971 asked the government for a loan guarantee. They finished paying off the $1.4 billion loan in 1977.

                              Chrysler - 1925 - present. In 1979, Chrysler chief Lee Iacocca asked the federal government to guarantee its loans. It was not a loan but a loan guarantee. Iacooca adopted a tough, no-nonsense policy to turn the company around. He got significant concessions from the auto union, UAW, and offered solid value to their customers. He saved the company.

                              In 2009, Chrysler went through another bankruptcy, and emerged from a government-backed Chapter 11 reorganizatin, and allied with Italian automaker, Fiat.
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                              • Originally posted by Originally Posted by brett
                                So what happened in the last 35 years? We all just lost our talented players? No one could rightly argue that the majority of the top football or basketball players have not come from the last 35 years or so. No one could argue that the best Olympic athletes have not come in the last 35 years-sprinters and swimmers in early Olympics would have lost regional high school meets today.

                                Somehow though, baseball is different.

                                You have re-opened this discussion that we had had before. Chris the Younger had often asked many members, who had put more early stars into their Top 20 Players, this very question. "So, you think that baseball, alone among many sports, produced most of its best stars in its early formative stages? Olympic running, football, basketball, etc. all feature their most recent stars from recent decades. Why is baseball an exception to this trend?" In so many words.
                                So, I will once again try to 'educate' you, and by extension, the many hundreds of our unregistered guests, who read our discussions, why baseball is indeed 'different' from many other sports, and why our ranking our early stars is not only justified, but makes perfect sense. Please pardon if my discourse is lengthy. This subject merits a lengthy, scholarly reply. Off we go!
                                First of all, your question is rooted in logic, reason and common sense. And that is your undoing. While logic does apply in most cases, there are many cases, where logic is turned on its head. And in baseball, this happens much more often than in other sports.

                                Baseball, much more than other sports, includes art/finesse. In many sports, brute strength/power, determine success. Alas, not baseball. Baseball is much more reliant on skills, technique, art, economy of motion, instinct, brains.

                                Here is a post I once did, which speaks to this very aspect. In the interest of conserving space, I will give the link.


                                Concerning the Olympics, before 1960, the Olympic movement did not have as many countries involved. In the days of Cobb, the Olympics had many 40 countries compete, at most, and almost all of the world's runners, athletes of that time, trained about 2 hours/day. Today, runners often train 3 times daily, and know a lot more about how to train.

                                So, to use the progression of Olympic times systematically coming down, is artificial. The early world records were artificially slow, due to so few people competing in the world. In 1910, perhaps 30 people in the entire world tried to compete in the 100m at the elite level, while today, many thousands. Same for all the Olympic distances.

                                You question seems to ask, how come baseball's early stars can compete with modern stars, when the baseball talent pool is many times the size it was in Cobb's day.

                                Talent pools are tricky. In fact, they are irrelevant, IMHO. The size of talent pools proves that sample sizes are not relevant. Here are some examples of talent pool sample sizes being bizarre, to say the least.

                                When I was a young kid in the 60's, the world's distance running scene was dominated by countries like England, US, Russia. They had huge populations, and it all seemed reasonable that they dominated. But since 1980, these same countries have not been able to present even a remotely feeble presentation of distance running strength. The US hasn't produced a competitive world-class distance runner since the days of Gerry Lindgren/Steve Prefontaine/Marty Liquori. None. We haven't sent a US runner to a Olympic 5,000/10,000m final since 1976. How pathetic. And our 'talent pool', has a massive sample size.

                                Come to find, the African runners have dominated world distance running, and research discovers that they largely come from Kenya. Further research finds that most of them come from a single, Kenyan tribe, that lives high on a plateau, and they have produced a dominating percentage of the world's distance running greats from the last 35 years! They are the Kalenjins tribe. And their 'talent pool' is minuscule.



                                Still another example of the 'talent pool' being subject to bizarre misunderstandings, are that 30% of today's MLB rosters, come from 3 countries. The Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico.


                                Does this make any sense at all? No. It doesn't make any sense. How can 3 small, poor countries, produce such a wealth of BB talent, more than the entire US talent pool? Just doesn't make any sense. US blacks have never had more/better financial incentives to get involved in ML baseball. Never before have the incentives been more attractive/potent. Yet, American blacks are passing on the National Pastime, while remaining involved with football, basketball, boxing.

                                So, what gives? I don't know. But I must concede that the size alone of talent pools is not relevant to who produces the good BB players.

                                That, brett, is why baseball is not subject to the same dynamics that football, basketball are.

                                Lastly, to sum up, there are other sports which do honor their pre-1970 players, as among the best their sports ever produced. Here is a small sampling of those I could think of off the top of my head.

                                Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
                                Okay but in what other sport are players from 70 to 80 years lionized so? In what other sport are players from 50 years or 40 years lionized so?

                                We can say that some other sports lionize their past greats.

                                Track and Field - Pavvo Nurmi, Emil Zatopek, Jesse Owens, Charlie Paddock, Glenn Cunningham, Babe Didrikson, Gunder Hagg, Roger Bannister, Jim Ryun, Gerry Lindgren, Steve Prefontaine, Kip Keino, etc.

                                Swimming -Johnny Weissmuller, Don Schollander, Mark Spitz, John Naber.

                                Boxing - Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Frazier.

                                Body Building - Steve Reeves, Schwarzenegger, Franco Columbu, Robbie Robinson

                                Horse Race Jockeys - Willie Shoemaker

                                Soccer - Pele

                                Martial Arts - Bruce Lee, Gogan Yamaguchi (The Cat).

                                Pool - Willie Mosconi, Minnesota Fats.

                                Hockey - Wayne Gretzky, Hull, Orr

                                Weigth Lifting - Paul Anderson, Vazileev,

                                Auto Racing - Jimmy Clarke, Maurio Andretti

                                Football - Jim Brown, Red Grange, Jim Thorpe, Norm Van Brocklin, YA Tittle, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Gale Sayers, Bob Hayes, Joe Namath.

                                Golf - Bobby Jones, Jimmy Demaret, Lord Byron, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Lee Trevino, Jack Nicklaus

                                Chess (a game rather than a sport) - Wilhelm Steinitz, Paul Morphy, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker, Geza Maroczy, Carl Schlechter, Akiba Rubinstein, Aron Nimzovich, Jose Capablanca, Alexander Alekhine, Max Euwe, Sultan Khan, Sam Reshevsky, Mikhail Botvinnik, Vassily Smyslov, Mikhail Tal, Boris Spassky, Bobby Fischer.

                                Figure Skating - Sonja Henie, Peggy Fleming, Toller Cranston, John Curry

                                Gymnastics - Cathy Rigby, Olga Korbut, Kurt Thomas, Bart Connor, Mitch Gaylord, Nadia Comaneci

                                Dancing (an artform rather than a sport) - Ruth St. Denis, Isadora Duncan, Bill (Bojangles) Robinson, Anna Pavlova, Vaslav Nijinsky, Martha Graham, Doris Humphrey, Fred Astaire, Charles Weidman, John Bubbles, Ray Bolger, George Balanchine, Agnes de Mille, Josephine Baker, Nicholas Brothers, Gene Kelly, Katherine Dunham, Hal Le Roy, Bella Lewitzky, Mary Anthony, Chuck Green, Sandman Sims, June Taylor, Jerome Robbins, Rita Hayworth, Jose Greco, Margot Fonteyn, Gower Champion, Peter Gennaro, Vera-Ellen, Cyd Charisse, Matt Mattox, Alicia Alonso, Gwen Verdon, Donald O'Connor, Bob Fosse, Erik Bruhn, Rudolf Nureyev, Carmen De Lavallade, Bettie De Jong, Jaime Rogers, Edward Villella, Anthony Dowell, Judith Jamison, Alvin Ailey, Paul Taylor, Paula Kelly, etc. Too many others to name.

                                Basketball - Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Bob Cousey, Meadowlark Lemon.

                                Tennis - Bill Tilden.

                                So, all professions, sports honor their past stars. The easier question is - "What sport doesn't?"
                                And yet another factor in why baseball is unlike football/basketball/boxing, in acknowledging it early stars vs. today's.

                                It is partly in the relationship between technique/power.

                                The US, due to its black sprinters, have dominated the sprints, jumps (HJ/LJ), Shot Put. Europe/Russia, (then USSSR), dominated the 'technique' events. High Jump, Hammer Throw, Discus. The Soviet Union also dominated world's ballet companies with the St. Petersburg Kirov, Moscow's Bolshoi. Because Europe/Russia always excelled at technique events. Still do.

                                In ballet technique, the Kirov Ballet company produced an inordinate number of the great ballet artists of all time. Anna Pavlova, Vaslav Nijinsky, Olga Spessivtseva, Natalya Dudinskaya, Yuri Grigorovich, Olga Moiseeva, Irina Kolpakova, Nina Timofeyeva, Valery Panov, Natalia Makarova, Rudolf Nureyev, Mikhail Baryshnikov, Alexander Godunov, Galina Mezentseva, Uliana Lopatkina.

                                This astounding embarrassment of riches, in terms of ballet talent, defies the 'talent pool' theory. All developed countries train ballet dancers. But a small number of gifted ballet teachers, ensconced in the Kirov School in St. Petersburg, (formerly Leningrad), has out-produced, out-performed all the teachers in London, New York, Paris, Los Angeles, etc. Why? Talent beats the numbers game of population samples.

                                And the same applies to baseball.
                                Last edited by Bill Burgess; 11-11-2008, 12:22 PM.


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