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  • what was Barry Bonds' career line against Randy Johnson?

    these guys played against eachother in the NL West for like 5 years, so i imagine they played eachother often and he would have alot of plate appearances against RJ

  • #2
    .306/.452/.551, 3 Hr, 11 Bb, 6 So, 49 Ab

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    • #3
      thanks

      do you know his line vs Maddox? they mustve faced alot too

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      • #4
        Originally posted by blackout805
        these guys played against eachother in the NL West for like 5 years, so i imagine they played eachother often and he would have alot of plate appearances against RJ
        I believe every plate appearance of Barry's career (along with all a listing of the opposing pitchers) is documented at the link below.

        Here.

        15 for 49 with 3 HR, 11 walks, and 6 strikeouts.

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        • #5
          .283/.396/.525, 8 Hr, 23 Bb, 15 So, 120 Ab

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BoSox Rule
            .283/.396/.525, 8 Hr, 23 Bb, 15 So, 120 Ab
            BoSox: Where are you getting those stats? Just curious- I would be interested in looking up some matchups of my own.

            Mark

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            • #7
              ESPN.com. Goto the player's page and click "Bat vs. Pit"

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              • #8
                If only stat keeping meant this much 90 years ago Pretty amazing what's at our disposal nowdays.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by blackout805
                  thanks

                  do you know his line vs Maddux? they mustve faced alot too
                  Legendary matchup. Dates all the way back to September 13th, 1986 at Three Rivers Stadium. Bonds led off and went 1-4. Maddux's first game of his career against the Pirates was quite unaspicious. 6IP, 8 hits, 3 earned runs. It was only Greg's third start of his career.

                  Also appearing in that game- Rafael Palmeiro, playing left field for the Cubs in his 5th big league game.

                  1986 was an unusually great year for rookie talent- Bonds, Palmeiro, Maddux, McGriff, McGwire, Clark, Larkin.

                  Not many matchups between two alltime greats have lasted 20 years.

                  Bonds vs. Maddux
                  30 for 124 with 8 homers, 23 walks, 15 strikeouts.

                  How many other historical matchups similar to this one can people here name?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pghfan987
                    BoSox: Where are you getting those stats? Just curious- I would be interested in looking up some matchups of my own.

                    Mark
                    Mark,
                    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players

                    Type in any active player and you can find every one of their career at bats, who they faced, and how they did. They've tracked this all the way back to 1987.

                    Moreover, if you want to see how someone who retired not long ago (say, Tony Gwynn) did, you can just do it like a chain (as in six degrees of Kevin Bacon).

                    For instance, if I want to find out how George Brett did against AL pitchers from 1987 on, I'd type in someone active that he faced (Jamie Moyer). Then I'd go to batter vs. pitcher, scroll down to Kansas City Royals, and click Brett's name.

                    Another way to do it is through retrosheet.org, which tracks this information but is still missing a ton of data, unfortunately. Go to the player index, and scroll down to the first two letters of the last name of the guy you're looking for, and click "pitcher matchups". It'll have at least some info for any big leaguer who played since from 1959 on.

                    Using retrosheet, I compiled this info not long ago. I find it fascinating.

                    NOTE: The small "i" you see means that the information is incomplete (meaning the players faced each other more than is shown here).

                    Originally posted by csh19792001
                    K, I'll do the legwork.

                    As to Koufax...
                    Code:
                    Sandy Koufax 
                    Batter            AB   H  2B  3B  HR  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF   AVG   OBP   SLG
                    Hank Aaron        82  27   6   1   3   6   2   8   0   0   0  .329  .375  .537 i
                    Dick Allen        35   8   0   1   1   2   1  13   0   0   0  .229  .270  .371 
                    Ernie Banks       84   9   0   1   3   3   2  19   0   0   0  .107  .138  .238 i
                    Lou Brock         65  12   4   0   0   3   0  28   1   1   0  .185  .232  .246
                    Orlando Cepeda    66  19   2   0   4   3   2  14   0   0   1  .288  .314  .500 
                    Roberto Clemente  87  25   3   2   6   5   1  17   0   1   0  .287  .326  .575 i
                    Dick Groat       105  17   2   0   1   6   0  14   0   1   0  .162  .207  .210 i
                    Eddie Mathews     53  19   2   0   1   8   0  13   0   0   0  .358  .443  .453
                    Willie McCovey    38   5   0   0   0   4   0  13   0   1   1  .132  .209  .132 i
                    Joe Morgan        29   7   0   0   2   6   0   7   0   0   0  .241  .371  .448
                    Willie Mays       79  19   5   1   4  15   1  15   0   0   0  .241  .362  .481 i
                    Stan Musial       13   5   1   0   0   3   0   3   0   0   0  .385  .500  .462 i
                    Vada Pinson      107  28   5   2   2   4   0  31   0   0   0  .262  .288  .402 i 
                    Frank Robinson    79  16   7   0   3  13   4  14   2   0   0  .203  .330  .405 i
                    Pete Rose         57  10   1   0   0   3   0  10   0   0   0  .175  .217  .193
                    Ron Santo         78  18   3   2   4   9   0  17   0   0   0  .231  .310  .474 
                    Willie Stargell   23   2   0   1   0   1   0  10   0   0   0  .087  .125  .174
                    Billy Williams    68  17   3   1   2   9   0  18   1   0   0  .250  .346  .412 i
                    Jim Wynn          34   7   3   0   1   2   0  11   1   0   0  .206  .270  .382
                    Look at how he murdered so many top notch Hall of Fame caliber players...

                    On the "Sportscentury" show, Koufax said that the only guy he could never figure out how to pitch to was Aaron. He said: "With other guys, I always had a plan, at least. With Henry I never even came up with one". Looks like that was at least partly accurate, relatively speaking.

                    Drysdale (again, missing the first 4 years and 800 innings of his career)

                    Code:
                    Don Drysdale 
                    Batter            AB   H  2B  3B  HR  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF   AVG   OBP   SLG
                    Hank Aaron       145  39   8   1  12  20   3  33   0   0   1  .269  .355  .586
                    Felipe Alou      129  34   5   1   2   2   1  23   1   0   1  .264  .278  .364 i
                    Matty Alou        95  22   2   0   0   2   2   5   2   2   0  .232  .263  .253 i
                    Richie Ashburn    54  20   0   1   0   8   0   8   0   0   0  .370  .452  .407 i
                    Ernie Banks      135  30   4   0   3   7   4  22   3   0   1  .222  .274  .319 i
                    Lou Brock        102  31   5   1   3   3   0  14   0   1   0  .304  .324  .461
                    Johnny Callison  101  27   4   1   3  12   1  26   0   0   0  .267  .345  .416 
                    Orlando Cepeda   115  26   3   1   1   3   2  17   3   0   3  .226  .258  .296 i
                    Roberto Clemente 122  50   4   0   3   4   0  24   2   0   0  .410  .438  .516 i
                    Jim Davenport     79  21   4   0   1   5   0  17   1   1   0  .266  .318  .354 i
                    Curt Flood       121  37   4   0   2   3   0  11   2   0   0  .306  .333  .388 i
                    Tony Gonzalez    107  33   9   0   2  11   1  26   2   0   0  .308  .383  .449
                    Eddie Mathews    132  24   5   0   3  12   1  24   1   0   0  .182  .255  .288 i
                    Willie Mays      158  48  13   2   6   9   1  25   1   0   0  .304  .345  .525 i
                    Willie McCovey   126  41   5   1  12  19   2  24   2   0   0  .325  .422  .667 i
                    Vada Pinson       97  30   4   2   4   5   0  11   2   0   0  .309  .356  .515 i
                    Ron Santo        132  33   7   1   4  12   3  28   0   3   0  .250  .313  .409 
                    Willie Stargell   70  28   4   1   5   3   1  10   0   0   3  .400  .408  .700 i
                    Rusty Staub       60  21   4   0   1   4   2   5   1   0   1  .350  .394  .467
                    Bill White       115  37   5   1   7  10   6  11   1   1   1  .322  .378  .565 i 
                    Billy Williams   124  35   4   1   2  11   1  12   0   0   0  .282  .341  .379 i
                    Yes, this is a somewhat limited sample, but look at the huge disparity here between how righties fared against Drysdale versus lefties. I think dad was onto something.

                    Clemente with FIFTY hits off of one pitcher in the modern era? That's incredible.
                    Isn't it amazing how much Drysdale had to face Hall of Fame players? Compared with Maddux it's a joke.

                    In any case, I hope this helps.

                    -Chris

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by csh19792001

                      Isn't it amazing how much Drysdale had to face Hall of Fame players? Compared with Maddux it's a joke.

                      In any case, I hope this helps.

                      -Chris

                      Having 7 opponents will tend to bunch up your at bats. Plus it raises an intersting chicken or the egg question. Are they Hall of Famers because they got to play the worst more often or are they the worst because they played the HoF'ers more often?

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                      • #12
                        though batter v pitcher is a great resource and reveals 15/49, 3 hr, 11 bb, 6 k, it can not, unfortunately, even hint at the fact that for years bonds did somewhat poorly against johnson before figuring out how to attack him. once bonds accomplished his first home run off johnson, two more were hit soon after, and the batting average rose steadily climbed.
                        "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                          though batter v pitcher is a great resource and reveals 15/49, 3 hr, 11 bb, 6 k, it can not, unfortunately, even hint at the fact that for years bonds did somewhat poorly against johnson before figuring out how to attack him. once bonds accomplished his first home run off johnson, two more were hit soon after, and the batting average rose steadily climbed.
                          Nor does it show that Bonds OWNED Maddux through 1992, and (oddly enough) didn't hit him that well from then on. I forget the exact numbers, but I watched the game the last time they faced off, and they showed footage of Barry's first HR off of Greg in 87', and the matchup in detail.

                          I remember Randy gunning for Barry's head (2004?) and Bonds quoted as saying "He'll have to kill me to get me off of the plate".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by csh19792001
                            Nor does it show that Bonds OWNED Maddux through 1992, and (oddly enough) didn't hit him that well from then on. I forget the exact numbers, but I watched the game the last time they faced off, and they showed footage of Barry's first HR off of Greg in 87', and the matchup in detail.
                            I wouldn't say Barry owned Maddux. He had 1987 in which everybody was lighting Maddux up. Bonds went 4-9 with a double and 2 homers. The next season he gets him to go 1-10. In 1989 Bonds goes 5-10 off of Maddux but only one hit is for extra bases and that is a triple. 1990 Bonds goes 2-10, the next year he goes 3-8 with 2 HR. Finally in 1992 Bonds goes 2-11. Bonds in this time hits 4 homers, 1 double, 1 triple, and 11 singles. Walks 10 times and K's 9 times. Barry puts up a .279/.389/.541 line against Maddux during this time but almost all of the damage is caused by 1987. Take away 1987 (the year of the rabbit ball) and Barry's line is .250/.371/.404.

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