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  • joshfan
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    I guess the "worst" Yankee team to win a Series was still better then anyone else when the chips were down

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  • Calif_Eagle
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    Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
    Well, good to see you again, Calif_Eagle! Haven't had the pleasure of chatting with you since our O'Malley exchanges. How have you been, my friend? Always a pleasure. How everything is going well for you.

    Yes, you are indeed perceptive. In order to save myself a ton of typing, all I did was to copy/paste the managers' records from baseball-reference for the famous Yankee managers--Huggins, McCarthy, Stengel, Houk, Berra, Martin and Torre. Hadn't counted on partial seasons. Good eye, there CE! Thanks for the head's up. I fixed it.

    Hope it isn't as long a wait to see you around again! Cheers!

    Bill

    I appreciate the warm regards Bill, & return them to you also, hope all is very well with you too! I had a Great deal of computer trouble for a long period & was only able to get in here sporadically, and then for very brief periods. Posting or attempting to was knocking me off line. The fault was with my computer not the site at all. All appears to be well now, knock wood... we will see.

    Those 78 stats just jumped out at me, as I know that that wasnt a strike year & actually featured an extra & very famous playoff game.

    My own choice for the worst Yankee World Series winner would be the 1943 team, strictly because it was a wartime year. (as has been previously noted.) Non wartime years, the chart posted by Bill Burgess makes it pretty easy to tab the 2000 team.

    What is the worst Yankee team ever that played in the World Series and lost it? The 1942 wartime team is an obvious choice but perhaps thats also too easy.

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  • Iron Jaw
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    The 1964 Yankees lost to the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series, 4-3.
    Yeah, but the '64 Cardinals had Bob Uecker on the roster. Which is why they were simply......unbeatable!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Bob didn't make a World Series appearance by the way - the Cardinals wanted to keep things fair).

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  • Bill Burgess
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    Originally posted by Calif_Eagle View Post
    The 1978 Yankees were 100-63 for a .613 win percentage. the extra game was the famous playoff for the AL East crown with the Boston Red Sox, featuring the Bucky Dent home run. What is posted in the chart above is Billy Martin's WL record as manager. He was fired, Dick Howser went 0-1 as the interim pilot then Bob Lemon took over and went 48-20 the rest of the way. The Yankees then defeated the Royals 3-1 in the ALCS and the Dodgers 4-2 in the World Series.
    Well, good to see you again, Calif_Eagle! Haven't had the pleasure of chatting with you since our O'Malley exchanges. How have you been, my friend? Always a pleasure. How everything is going well for you.

    Yes, you are indeed perceptive. In order to save myself a ton of typing, all I did was to copy/paste the managers' records from baseball-reference for the famous Yankee managers--Huggins, McCarthy, Stengel, Houk, Berra, Martin and Torre. Hadn't counted on partial seasons. Good eye, there CE! Thanks for the head's up. I fixed it.

    Hope it isn't as long a wait to see you around again! Cheers!

    Bill

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  • Death to Crawling Things
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    Well, I'd say one of those teams from the early 60s. If you were going for just pennant winner probably the 1964 team.

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  • Calif_Eagle
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    Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
    We must first define our terms. If we define the strongest Yankee World Series winners by their year's winning percentage, here is the list, according to the highest winning percentage. The worst teams start at the bottom and go up.
    Code:
    1927 American Lg NewYorkY  49   155  110   44   .714  WS  1
    1998 AL East     NewYorkY  57   162  114   48   .704  WS  1
    1939 American Lg NewYorkY  52   152  106   45   .702  WS  1
    1932 American Lg NewYorkY  45   156  107   47   .695  WS  1
    1961 American Lg NewYorkY  41   163  109   53   .673  WS  1
    1936 American Lg NewYorkY  49   155  102   51   .667  WS  1
    1937 American Lg NewYorkY  50   157  102   52   .662  WS  1
    1928 American Lg NewYorkY  50   154  101   53   .656  WS  1
    1953 American Lg NewYorkY  62   151   99   52   .656  WS  1
    1941 American Lg NewYorkY  54   156  101   53   .656  WS  1
    1938 American Lg NewYorkY  51   157   99   53   .651  WS  1
    1923 American Lg NewYorkY  45   152   98   54   .645  WS  1
    1950 American Lg NewYorkY  59   155   98   56   .636  WS  1
    1951 American Lg NewYorkY  60   154   98   56   .636  WS  1
    1943 American Lg NewYorkY  56   155   98   56   .636  WS  1
    1949 American Lg NewYorkY  58   155   97   57   .630  WS  1
    1947 American Lg NewYorkY  50   155   97   57   .630  WS  1
    1956 American Lg NewYorkY  65   154   97   57   .630  WS  1
    1952 American Lg NewYorkY  61   154   95   59   .617  WS  1
    1977 AL East     NewYorkY  49   162  100   62   .617  WS  1
    1999 AL East     NewYorkY  58   162   98   64   .605  WS  1
    1958 American Lg NewYorkY  67   155   92   62   .597  WS  
    1962 American Lg NewYorkY  42   162   96   66   .593  WS  1
    1996 AL East     NewYorkY  55   162   92   70   .568  WS  1
    1978 AL East     NewYorkY  50    94   52   42   .553  WS  1
    2000 AL East     NewYorkY  59   161   87   74   .540  WS  1
    The 1978 Yankees were 100-63 for a .613 win percentage. the extra game was the famous playoff for the AL East crown with the Boston Red Sox, featuring the Bucky Dent home run. What is posted in the chart above is Billy Martin's WL record as manager. He was fired, Dick Howser went 0-1 as the interim pilot then Bob Lemon took over and went 48-20 the rest of the way. The Yankees then defeated the Royals 3-1 in the ALCS and the Dodgers 4-2 in the World Series.

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  • Bill Burgess
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    We must first define our terms. If we define the strongest Yankee World Series winners by their year's winning percentage, here is the list, according to the highest winning percentage. The worst teams start at the bottom and go up.
    Code:
    1927 American Lg NewYorkY  49   155  110   44   .714  WS  1
    1998 AL East     NewYorkY  57   162  114   48   .704  WS  1
    1939 American Lg NewYorkY  52   152  106   45   .702  WS  1
    1932 American Lg NewYorkY  45   156  107   47   .695  WS  1
    1961 American Lg NewYorkY  41   163  109   53   .673  WS  1
    1936 American Lg NewYorkY  49   155  102   51   .667  WS  1
    1937 American Lg NewYorkY  50   157  102   52   .662  WS  1
    1928 American Lg NewYorkY  50   154  101   53   .656  WS  1
    1953 American Lg NewYorkY  62   151   99   52   .656  WS  1
    1941 American Lg NewYorkY  54   156  101   53   .656  WS  1
    1938 American Lg NewYorkY  51   157   99   53   .651  WS  1
    1923 American Lg NewYorkY  45   152   98   54   .645  WS  1
    1950 American Lg NewYorkY  59   155   98   56   .636  WS  1
    1951 American Lg NewYorkY  60   154   98   56   .636  WS  1
    1943 American Lg NewYorkY  56   155   98   56   .636  WS  1
    1949 American Lg NewYorkY  58   155   97   57   .630  WS  1
    1947 American Lg NewYorkY  50   155   97   57   .630  WS  1
    1956 American Lg NewYorkY  65   154   97   57   .630  WS  1
    1952 American Lg NewYorkY  61   154   95   59   .617  WS  1
    1977 AL East     NewYorkY  49   162  100   62   .617  WS  1
    1978 AL East     NewYorkY  50    94  100   63   .613  WS  1
    1999 AL East     NewYorkY  58   162   98   64   .605  WS  1
    1958 American Lg NewYorkY  67   155   92   62   .597  WS  
    1962 American Lg NewYorkY  42   162   96   66   .593  WS  1
    1996 AL East     NewYorkY  55   162   92   70   .568  WS  1
    2000 AL East     NewYorkY  59   161   87   74   .540  WS  1
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 10-12-2008, 10:15 AM.

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  • BSmile
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    Originally posted by ElHalo View Post
    People forget that the 61 Yankees had one thing that really seperated them and made them a great team: Arroyo.
    GREAT observation and totally true. Luis Arroyo played a huge part in that 1961 season. 15-5, 29 saves, 2.19 era in 119 IP. I'm not saying that he was the biggest reason for the success of the '61 Yanks, but he is sorely underrated for a really great year.

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  • Blackout
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    the 2000 yankees had jeter, bernie, MO, all of them

    it'd have to be 1977 because it had no Ruth/gehrig/mantle/dimaggio/jeter/rivera

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  • Iron Jaw
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    Originally posted by Centreville82
    I have my money on the 2000 Yankees. I hope I made myself a little clear. Your thoughts ?
    Plus they had the fifth best record in the AL.

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  • Iron Jaw
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    Originally posted by yanks0714
    I agree. This team was extremely thin on the bench outside of Johnny Blanchard who was a 1-dimensional HR guy. Their pitching outside of Whitey Ford was not great either.
    Too many people look at Maris and Mantle and some others like Moose Skowron with 28 dingers and say how great they were. Uh-uh. This was a 1-dimensional team dependant on the HR with 1 really totally dependable starter. Their bullpen was, at best, fair.
    Plus they had an extreme handicap of Tony Kubek and Bobby Richardson batting in the 1 - 2 slots. Look at Richardson's runs scored for the year with Maris-Mantle-Skowron-Berra-Howard hitting behind him! Incredible.
    A team that wins 109 games in a season and waltzes to the World Series Championship is a great team.

    As non-war years go, I would rate the 2000 Yankees as the worst of the Yankee WS winners.

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  • Blackout
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    the 61 Yankees had two hitters that nobody in baseball wanted to face that year, it's hard to overlook that

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  • ElHalo
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    People forget that the 61 Yankees had one thing that really seperated them and made them a great team: Arroyo.

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  • dgarza
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond
    Nope, 2000 sounds right. 5th in batting, about 5th in pitching
    And no better than 4th in fielding.

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  • Centreville82
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond
    Some people call them one of the best teams ever (failing to realize how HR-dependant they are, and pitching that was not much better than 4th)
    I think it was Bill James who called the 61 Yankees overrated...

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