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  • Originally posted by pheasant View Post
    If we exclude all of Ruth's stats from 1914-1924, he probably still would have made the Hall of Fame. I.e, we are excluding 6 HR titles, 6 OPS+ titles, 4 World Series Titles, and 90+ wins on the mound.

    From 1925-1935(ages 30-40), Ruth went: .336/.468/.673, 198 OPS+ with 430 HRs and 1331 RBI.

    Actually, Ruth from 1914-1924 might have had the stats to get him into the Hall:
    1914-1924(ages 19-29), he went: .351/.482/.712, 218 OPS+, 284 HRs, 889 RBI, AND 92-46 record, 2.25 ERA

    If we handicap Ruth by including his Dead Ball years, yet exclude his best 5 year run(1920-1924, went .370/.511/.778, 229 OPS), Ruth still slugs .654 and outdistances everybody.

    If we simply exclude Ruth's best 6 slugging years from his career(1920,1921,1923,1924, 1926, and 1927), Ruth still slugs .635 for his career(now edges WIlliams by 1 point) despite the fact that his decline and his dead ball years(1914-1918, 1932-1935) would now represent nearly half of his at-bats.
    Simply incredible :bowdown:

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    • Check out the Babe's swing at 1:20 into the video. It looks like he didn't even get all of it and he may have hit it to the opposite field, yet the narrator says it's the longest home run ever hit in St. Louis!

      My top 10 players:

      1. Babe Ruth
      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Ty Cobb
      4. Ted Williams
      5. Willie Mays
      6. Alex Rodriguez
      7. Hank Aaron
      8. Honus Wagner
      9. Lou Gehrig
      10. Mickey Mantle

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      • Some info on Babe and bat selection.
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        • Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
          Some info on Babe and bat selection.
          BMH mentioned this about Babe in the wood bat thread, he said the pin knots can be good to prevent delamination in the barrel but are very bad in the handle.
          "If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson

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          • Ruth vs Top 2 ERA+ pitchers, 1920
            Stan Coveleski, 24-14, 2.49 ERA, 154 ERA+
            Urban Shocker, 20-10, 2.71 ERA, 144 ERA+

            vs Coveleski

            5/15, 0/1 BB, HBP, SO
            6/14, 0/1, 3 BB
            7/22 unsure..Coveski knocked out after 1 IP, Ruth 2/3 for game
            8/12, 0/1, 2 BB
            8/16, 1/4, 1 K
            9/09, 1/2, 3 BB, 1 HR
            total: 2/9, 1 HR, 10 BB, 1 HBP, 1 HR

            Shocker
            6/20, 1/2, 2 BB
            6/23, 2/3, HR, 1 BB worst case......Ruth was 3/4 for game with 1 BB
            7/13, 1/4, 3 K
            7/28, 0/1, 3 BB
            7/31, 1/3, HR, BB
            Total: 5/13, 2 HR, 7 BB , this is worst case

            total vs Coveleski and Shocker: 7/22, 3 HR, 17 BB, 1 HBP,318/.625/.727

            Ruth vs Coveleski, 1921, Coveleski that year was 23-13 with a 3.37 ERA and 127 ERA+

            5/15, 0/1, BB
            6/07, 0/1, BB, worst case scenario, for game, Ruth was 0/1, 2 BB
            7/20, 1/2, BB, HBP
            7/30, 2/3, BB, HR...note.Coveleski gave up 1 run in CG victory
            8/24, 1/3, 2 BB
            9/23, 3/3 BB, 3 2B
            9/26, worst case, 1/1, BB, HR. For the day, Ruth was 3/3, 2 HR, a double, and a walk
            Total: 8/14, 2 HR, 8 BB, .571/.727/1.000

            From 1920-1921 vs Coveleski, Ruth went
            10/23, 3 HRs, 18 BB, 1 HBP, .435/.690/.826 as a worst case scenario

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            • I've always wanted to look at how much Ruth's pitching affected his hitting. I figured he probably hit better in months in which he pitched less than once a week.

              Listed below are Ruth's hitting stats, 1918-1919 in which he started fewer than 4 games in a month:

              1918 May-July, 61 games, 224 ab, 40 runs, 67 hits, 11 HR, 49 RBI, 37 BB, 0 HBP,141 TB .299/.398/.629
              1919 Aug-Sep, 49 games,158 AB, 44 runs, 51 hits, 13 HR, 47 rbi, 45 BB, 4 HBP, 111 TB, .323/.483/.703

              Total, 1918-1919: 110 games, 382 AB, 84 runs, 24 HR, 96 RBI, 82 BB, .306/.436/.660

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              • This has to be on of the best 80+ game stints ever.

                From 5/11/20 to 8/6/20, Ruth played 83 games and hit 39 HR with 98 RBI and went .437/.589/1.019 with 108 runs scored and 94 BB. His slugging percentage up to that point was .895. Ruth cooled off tremendously the remainder of the way. He slugged only .733 the rest of the way to end up at .847.

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                • Bert Randolph Sugar on baseball - interesting video.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF_sMrd_kWE
                  ". . . the Ruth, the whole Ruth and nothing but the Ruth . . ."

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                  • re: the candy bar

                    "Ruth is sometimes called 'Baby' Ruth."

                    Damon Runyon, reporting on a Yankees-Red Sox game June 3, 1915.

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                    • Bill James argues that if the Federal League in 1914 had not incepted, its Baltimore entry crippling Jack Dunn's minor league entry , forcing him to break up his dynastic team and temporarily move, he may well have kept Ruth for like another five tears like he held on to Lefty Grove, and run a mega-profitable minor league Oriole team into the 20's.

                      What you guys think-would it have been inevitable a major league team would have made Dunn an offer he couldn't refuse

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                      • Originally posted by strato View Post
                        Bill James argues that if the Federal League in 1914 had not incepted, its Baltimore entry crippling Jack Dunn's minor league entry , forcing him to break up his dynastic team and temporarily move, he may well have kept Ruth for like another five tears like he held on to Lefty Grove, and run a mega-profitable minor league Oriole team into the 20's.

                        What you guys think-would it have been inevitable a major league team would have made Dunn an offer he couldn't refuse
                        Harry Turtledove wrote a short story with exactly this premise. Minor league legend Louis "Buzz" Arlett and Babe Ruth exchanged historical roles with Arlett becaming the "Babe Ruth of the 1920's". Arlett was an absolute beast in the PCL but the Oakland Oaks owner wanted no less than $100,000 for Arlett. No major league team wanted to pay that much.

                        http://www.tor.com/stories/2009/06/t...t-george-built
                        Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 05-28-2013, 02:02 PM.
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • Originally posted by strato View Post
                          Bill James argues that if the Federal League in 1914 had not incepted, its Baltimore entry crippling Jack Dunn's minor league entry , forcing him to break up his dynastic team and temporarily move, he may well have kept Ruth for like another five tears like he held on to Lefty Grove, and run a mega-profitable minor league Oriole team into the 20's.

                          What you guys think-would it have been inevitable a major league team would have made Dunn an offer he couldn't refuse
                          I would say this is very likely. Mack eventually made Dunn an offer on Grove he couldn't refuse. So someone probably would do the same for Ruth.
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                          Probably the Phillies. Who would convert the pitcher to first base after he hits 30 HR at Baker Bowl in just 20 starts there.
                          Ruth would average 83 HR a year at the Baker Bowl and hit 115 [H and A] total in 1928 alone. :gt
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                          • Originally posted by strato View Post
                            Bill James argues that if the Federal League in 1914 had not incepted, its Baltimore entry crippling Jack Dunn's minor league entry , forcing him to break up his dynastic team and temporarily move, he may well have kept Ruth for like another five tears like he held on to Lefty Grove, and run a mega-profitable minor league Oriole team into the 20's.

                            What you guys think-would it have been inevitable a major league team would have made Dunn an offer he couldn't refuse
                            I think so, an offer he could not turn down, especially after a season or two of seeing Ruth's slugging, all around hitting....name your price.

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                            • Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
                              I think so, an offer he could not turn down, especially after a season or two of seeing Ruth's slugging, all around hitting....name your price.
                              Joe, have you ever thought of the Babe in the Baker Bowl? My previous post was the first time it ever crossed my mind.
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                              How's he look?

                              Babe.png
                              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                              • Ruth in Baker Bowl=Mike Schmidt in Coors

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