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    • In 1920 the losing CG pitcher did have 3 earned runs or less 30 times but they only allowed 3 runs or less in 22 complete games with opposing pitchers being responsible for 11 CG while allowing 3 runs or less.


      In all games in which the opposing starting pitcher to the Yankees in 1920 faced at least one batter a fourth time in the game that pitcher had an ERA of 4.75 and allowed 6.25 runs per 9 innings. Starters overall in the AL that year had an ERA of 3.68 and allowed 4.62 runs per game. The opposing starter against the Yankees in 1920 faced a batter for the fourth time in 65 of the 95 losses. In non complete games with an opposing starter facing a Yankee a fourth time the starting pitcher had an ERA of 5.90 and allowed 7.98 runs per game.

      In the 56 games in which the opposing starter against the Yankees faced at least the #3 batter a fourth time through the order while their team also lost the game the starter had a 4.71 ERA and allowed 6.13 runs per 9 innings. There was only one loss in which the pitcher faced the #3 hitter a fourth time but not the #4 hitter a 4th time. In non complete games the starters had an ERA of 6.47 and allowed 8.61 runs per 9 innings.

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      • Data for 1920-1941 compared to 1994-2007.


        1994-2007 had 30,812 games. RPG was 5.013, PA per game was 38.88.
        1920-1941 had 27,114 games. RGP was 5.053, PA per game was 39.25.

        So almost identical in terms of scoring and PA.




        1920-1941:

        How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 12 hits and 6 runs? 2,758 times. Six times as often as 1994-2007 (in 10% fewer games.)

        How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 14 hits and 8 runs? 552 times. Twenty times as often as 1994-2007 (in 10% fewer games.)

        How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 16 hits and 9 runs? 334 times One hundred and eleven times as often as 1994-2007.
        Last edited by drstrangelove; 09-02-2014, 09:31 PM.
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        • Okay, let's take out the hits. And look at runs allowed.

          1920-1941
          17-2
          16-8
          15-7
          14-17
          13-28
          12-49
          11-145
          10-286
          9-711
          8-1,532




          In 1920-1941, pitchers who yielded 8 or more runs in a game accounted for 17.9% of all the runs yielded in 1920-1941.
          Last edited by drstrangelove; 09-02-2014, 09:31 PM.
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          • Originally posted by drstrangelove View Post
            Compare 1994-2007 to 1920-1941.


            1994-2007 had 30,812 games. RPG was 5.013, PA per game was 38.88.
            1920-1941 had 27,114 games. RGP was 5.053, PA per game was 39.25.

            So almost identical in terms of scoring and PA. And total games played was pretty close, although in the selection, 1994-2007 had ~10% more games.


            Now, how were pitchers used in the two eras when they didn't have any good stuff left? (Tank was empty or they were just getting pounded.)

            1994-2007:

            How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 12 hits and 6 runs? 440 times. That to me is getting pounded, but let's up it a bit.

            How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 14 hits and 8 runs? 25 times. Now we're talking. A guys already given up 13 hits and probably 6 or 7 runs, and he's still on the mound.

            How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 16 hits and 9 runs? 2 times. Nuff said.



            1920-1941:

            How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 12 hits and 6 runs? 2,758 times. Six times as often as 1994-2007 (in 10% fewer games.)

            How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 14 hits and 8 runs? 552 times. Twenty times as often as 1994-2007 (in 10% fewer games.)

            How many times was a pitcher allowed to yield 16 hits and 9 runs? 334 times One hundred and eleven times as often as 1994-2007.


            We have the same scoring environment but pitchers who are not being used the same way. Pitchers in 1920-1941 were left in longer when they were getting pounded then the modern era.
            Some of the difference might be that most teams had Sunday doubleheaders and Mondays off, which could mean that managers would be willing to leave their pitchers in to take a beating for one of the Sunday games to protect the rest of the staff, especially if the beating was in the first game.

            I don't have a firm enough understanding of the managerial dynamics and thought processes of 1920's and 1930's baseball to say for sure that this is the case, but I think we should consider the frequency of doubleheaders.

            Also, winning pitchers throw many less complete games, so that would have to be considered also.
            Last edited by Toledo Inquisition; 09-02-2014, 09:14 AM.
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            • Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post
              Some of the difference might be that most teams had Sunday doubleheaders and Mondays off, which could mean that managers would be willing to leave their pitchers in to take a beating for one of the Sunday games to protect the rest of the staff, especially if the beating was in the first game.
              This is an excellent point and might help explain some of the difference between eras. We'd have to look at just those games and see if the scoring was higher, but this is a great place to start.
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                • As mentioned earlier the Yankees in 1920 won 95 games. Out of those 95 wins the opposing starter completed the game 38 times. In those 38 games the Yankees scored 3 runs or less just 11 times. In the 27 other games the opposing starter allowed on average 6.26 runs per 9 innings and lost by a margin of 3.22 runs on average. In 1920 opposing pitchers were not completing a great deal of games against the Yankees while not allowing a lot of runs to score. We're talking about the Yankees here. They averaged almost 5.5 runs per game.

                  As I also mentioned earlier losing pitchers that were allowed to face the batting order a 4th time through allowed on average 6.25 runs per 9 innings. In 65 losses the starting pitcher faced the batting order a 4th time. There were 56 games won by the other team with an opposing pitcher facing the batting order a 4th time and that pitcher allowed 2.6 runs per 9 innings on average. In 79% of the games an opposing starting pitcher was allowed to face the batting order a 4th time. If you were a starter and you were struggling you stayed in for a long time. If you were a starter and you were doing well you stayed in for a long time. If you were really really bad you were pulled before you pitched 5 innings. That happened 20 times and the opposing starting pitcher allowed 19.9 runs per 9 innings on average. If you were terrible but not really really terrible you got to eat up some innings. That happened 13 tiems and the opposing starting pitcher allowed 7.93 runs per 9 innings.

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                  • Babe Ruth hit his first professional home run in Toronto 100 years ago today

                    One hundred years ago today, pitcher George Herman "Babe" Ruth of the Providence Grays stepped up to the plate against the Toronto Maple Leafs' Ellis Johnson down at Hanlan's Point Stadium on the Island and slammed a home run--the first of his professional career. Although "the Babe" went on to hit 714 major league home runs after that, the shot in Toronto was his only minor league round-tripper.

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                    Last edited by scribbs; 09-05-2014, 07:14 AM.

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                    • Question: Does anyone know how Ruth's at home and away slugging average broke down during 1920 and 1921. If he slugged over .800 away I'd really be impressed. Just curious as I'd expect it to be very high at the Polo Grounds where the Yankees were playing then. And perhaps, not so high away.
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                      • Originally posted by Badge714 View Post
                        Question: Does anyone know how Ruth's at home and away slugging average broke down during 1920 and 1921. If he slugged over .800 away I'd really be impressed. Just curious as I'd expect it to be very high at the Polo Grounds where the Yankees were playing then. And perhaps, not so high away.

                        1920
                        home: .399/.545/.990
                        away: .358/.523/.736

                        1921
                        home: .402/.545/.926
                        away: .354/.479/.772

                        1922
                        home: .296/.405/.597
                        away: .332/.458/.739

                        1920-1922
                        home: slugged .903
                        away: slugged .751

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                        • Thanks Pheasant! Just as I suspected. But over .900 away in '20 and '21 is a bit of a surprise.



                          Originally posted by pheasant View Post
                          1920
                          home: .399/.545/.990
                          away: .358/.523/.736

                          1921
                          home: .402/.545/.926
                          away: .354/.479/.772

                          1922
                          home: .296/.405/.597
                          away: .332/.458/.739

                          1920-1922
                          home: slugged .903
                          away: slugged .751
                          ". . . the Ruth, the whole Ruth and nothing but the Ruth . . ."

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                          • Doc Ayers vs Babe Ruth

                            Code:
                            	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	BB	TB	
                            1917	1	4	2	0	0	0	0	2	
                            1918	3	11	5	3	1	0	0	10	
                            1919	5	12	5	3	0	1	2	11	
                            1920	5	11	3	0	1	0	4	5	1 SF
                            Total	14	38	15	6	2	1	6	28
                            Missing one plate appearance from August 24, 1919. It is either an out or a walk.
                            Last edited by Ubiquitous; 09-07-2014, 04:43 PM.

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                            • Allen Sothoron vs Babe Ruth

                              Code:
                              	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	BB	K	TB
                              1917	1	4	3	0	0	0	0	1	3
                              1918	4	11	5	1	2	0	1	1	10
                              1919	4	13	3	0	0	0	4	3	3
                              1920	1	1	0	0	0	0	1	0	0
                              1921	3	9	4	1	1	0	3	1	7
                              Total	13	38	15	2	3	0	9	6	23
                              Missing one plate appearance on August 21, 1918.

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                              • Babe Ruth vs Ray Fisher
                                1916-1/3 with a strikeout

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