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  • Ray Caldwell vs Babe Ruth

    Code:
    	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	BB	K	TB	
    1915	3	8	3	1	0	1	0	3	7	
    1916	1	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1 SF
    1917	1	4	1	0	0	0	0	1	1	
    1918	2	5	3	1	0	0	0	2	4	
    1920	5	13	4	1	0	2	5	0	11	
    1921	6	12	7	0	0	3	2	1	16	
    Total	18	45	18	3	0	6	7	7	39

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    • Originally posted by pheasant
      I think it's a mistake for people to compare the Polo Grounds to parks like the Bake Bowl or Coors Field. I don't think that it was that great of a park for hitting. Sure, it was good. But how good? According to Jenkinson, Ruth had 9 cheap HRS at the Polo Grounds, yet he lost 4 due a deep blast that hooked foul after going over the fence fair. But he hit a couple of dozen balls over 400 feet that were not HRS in the Polo Grounds.

      Ruth hit 75 HRS in the Polo Grounds and 73 on the road.

      Willie Mays had the following lines from 1954-1957 when the Polo Grounds was his home park:

      1954
      home: .344/.414/.645 20 HRS
      away: .346/.410/.689 21 HRS

      1955
      home: .329/.405/.648 22 HRS
      away: .309/.395/.670 29 HRS

      1956
      home: .299/.358/.592 20 HRS
      away: .293/.381/.524 16 HRS

      1957
      home: .341/.424/.624 17 HRS
      away: .327/.393/.627 18 HRS

      Willie Mays slammed 5 more HRS on the road than at the Polo Grounds during that run and he slugged higher on the road 3 out of 4 years. Mel Ott did manage to slug 48 pts higher at the Polo Grounds than on the road. But his batting average was 14 pts higher on the road. He seems like a guy that really made adjustments to his home park. But even Ott's splits weren't all that ridiculous. However, was the Polo Grounds park really that great of a hitters' park?

      Freak things happen in sports. For example, Larry Walker slugged .733 away from Coors Field in 1997. That's 24 points higher than he hit at Coors Field. Perhaps Ruth was simply a freak at home in 1920 and 1921.

      My gut is that Ruth would have slugged .900 at home in nearly every park in 1920 and 1921.
      Babe Ruth hit 1 HR every 8.7 AB at the Polo Grounds while he hit 1 HR every 10.3 AB on the road from 1920 to 1922. That comes out to 5 more home runs per 250 AB.
      Home-.369/.506/.847
      Away-.349/.489/.751

      1920 to 1921 is even more extreme. In those years he hit 9 more homers at home per 250 AB than he did on the road.
      Last edited by Ubiquitous; 09-07-2014, 06:08 PM.

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      • I'd say so. .401 BA and a .954 SLG as compared to a .356 BA and .755 SLG on the road.

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        • We were discussing 1920 and 1921 though.

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          • Barry Bonds
            Code:
            SLG	
            0.842	
            0.817	
            0.740	
            0.724	
            0.692	
            0.670	
            0.646	
            0.633	
            0.607	
            0.586	
            0.694	AVG

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            • What right field giveth, center field taketh away.
              Originally posted by Ubiquitous View Post
              Babe Ruth hit 1 HR every 8.7 AB at the Polo Grounds while he hit 1 HR every 10.3 AB on the road from 1920 to 1922. That comes out to 5 more home runs per 250 AB.
              Home-.369/.506/.847
              Away-.349/.489/.751

              1920 to 1921 is even more extreme. In those years he hit 9 more homers at home per 250 AB than he did on the road.

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              • Originally posted by stuarthouse View Post
                What right field giveth, center field taketh away.
                Not really

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                • Extra base hits, no. Homers, yes.
                  Originally posted by Ubiquitous View Post
                  Not really

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                  • Babe Ruth hit homers at a rate of 9 extra at home than on the road per 250 AB in 1920 and 1921. Road parks were taking away many more homers than whatever centerfield was costing him at home.

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                    • Babe Ruth didn't hit very many deep balls in 1922 at the Polo Grounds as compared to previous years if Jenkinson is to be believed. The idea that the Polo Grounds didn't help Babe tremendously as compared to other AL parks overall is ludicrous on its face.

                      Babe Ruth didn't amass his 200th PA at Fenway until 1918. He did that sometime in June of his first year in NY.

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                      • Originally posted by Ubiquitous View Post
                        Babe Ruth didn't hit very many deep balls in 1922 at the Polo Grounds as compared to previous years if Jenkinson is to be believed. The idea that the Polo Grounds didn't help Babe tremendously as compared to other AL parks overall is ludicrous on its face.

                        Babe Ruth didn't amass his 200th PA at Fenway until 1918. He did that sometime in June of his first year in NY.
                        The Polo Grounds had close foul lines and was relatively symmetrical all around long before Ruth played there and after. It was an equal opportunity ballpark so let's say the advantage was there for ALL National League players for many decades. Polo's dimensional opportunities cancel any perceived advantage Ruth had. It may have inflated thousands of players career records.
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                        Last edited by elmer; 09-10-2014, 04:24 AM.

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                        • Loaded with confidence.
                          If not for the lost homer at the Polo Grounds, he would have hit 60.

                          As for Charlie Root, appears he gave Babe nothing to hit. One at bat, double to left on outside pitch.
                          Years later he would hit two off of Charlie in the 1932 World Series.
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                          • Make up your mind guys.
                            Some local politicians complaining about the menace and factory workers absent from the job to see the Bam.
                            So what do they do, shorten their work day so they can get to Babe Ruth in town that day.
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                            • Ruth had quite a streak of hitting over .400. This isn't his entire streak, but I liked these numbers:

                              From 5/15/1923 until 8/8/1924,Ruth had a nice streak of hitting:

                              238 games played, 1076 PA, 817 AB, 334 hits, 246 BB, 54 doubles, 18 triples, 76 HR, 213 RBI, 244 runs scored, .408/.545/.810.

                              Unfortunately for Ruth, his weight ballooned big-time in 1924, or he might have had his best season. From what I've read, he ended the 1924 season with a playing weight of 240. He's knees were hurting him and his stats plummeted after 8/8/24. That's a nice 238 game run of hitting over .400 and slugging over .800.

                              On another note, I gave Speaker PED-injected boost on another thread,which had him putting up Ruthian numbers(60 pt boost in OPS+). I ran the same boost for Ruth and came up with the following from 1920-1931: .415/.560/.900 over 12 years. His actual line during those 12 years was "only" .357/.489/.736.

                              And lastly, Ruth's 1.224 OPS over those 12 years was pretty good. Here's the list of other players that put that same 1.224 OPS over 1 season:

                              1. Bonds 1.4217 2004
                              2. Bonds 1.3207 2002
                              3. Teddy 1.2875 1941
                              4. Bonds 1.2778 2003
                              5. Teddy 1.2566 1957
                              6. Rogers 1.2449 1925
                              7. Gehrig 1.2395 1927

                              Note: Only Bonds had at least a 2 year run with an OPS of 1.224. Ruth's string of 12 is quite impressive.

                              If we take Ruth's best 8 year string in OPS+, which was 1.248 from 1920-1927, then only Bonds and Ballgame managed that number for even 1 season.
                              Last edited by pheasant; 10-22-2014, 02:25 PM.

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                              • Story about Babe Ruth's visit to London that's not well known - instigating ballplayers to ask for more money.

                                http://sabr.org/research/origins-committee-newsletters

                                Article in the July 1999 Newsletter

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