*Babe Ruth Thread*

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Homerun hitter for the most strikeout against the better competition of 50's would mean more strikeout for Foxx as well . Let me make one thing clear Foxx and Ruth both were superstar and would be in any area ,the point I'm making is that competition relative. Put any big league superstar from the 50's to present in the 20's and you would see Carew hitting .400 ,Schmidt and other historically homerun kings hitting 60 plus , with no PEDS.

Thats not the point I was making in my previous post.
You pointed out that Ruth led the league in strikeouts 5 times and had the most career strikeouts at that time.
What I said was that had much to do with Ruth playing longball in a period in the game that was mostly contact and that Foxx did the same, free swinger, lots of strikeouts.

So you would give Ruth maybe 45 in todays game but Schmidt 60 in Ruth's time.
What your saying is that Schmidt is the more proficient home run hitter, if they switched time periods.
Are you going to try and sell that one,

[Bucketfoot]

Will put in an Al Simmons shoutout--I think that he was good enough as is to wreack havoc in any era as is. I think Ruth as is would be a monster at the plate any era. Spare me the modern guys walk on water BS. Ruth could nuke the ball against Big Unit. Word.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Will put in an Al Simmons shoutout--I think that he was good enough as is to wreack havoc in any era as is. I think Ruth as is would be a monster at the plate any era. Spare me the modern guys walk on water BS. Ruth could nuke the ball against Big Unit. Word.

Small sample here but worth noting.
Lefty Grove one of the greatest lefthanders.
Most career home runs hit off of Lefty
Ruth- Gehrig-Greenberg all with nine.
Ruth did not face lefty until Ruth's 12th season.

In 1930 Ruth cleared the RCF wall at Shibe Park. Ball struck speaker supports, bounced back on to playing field.
Ruth sent back to second base by umps, only a double.
Pitcher, left Grove.

[Bucketfoot]

Guys like Grove and Vance were easily, obviously throwing 95 at least. Lets not kid ourselves here. Claiming Ruth, Simmons, etc would be blown away now just fly in the face of history. It ain't so. Simmons does Not get his due, I donno why.

[Badge714]

And let's not forget Ruth's going deep against Walter Johnson 10 times. In one two year stretch Johnson gave up only two home runs, both to Ruth. Ruth was a great fast ball hitter, no doubt about it. But even more surprising is Ruth as a pitcher had a 6-3 edge over Johnson, three of those wins by scores of 1-0. One of Ruth's shutouts was a complete game 13 inning gem on Aug. 15, 1916. Johnson's last victory over Ruth was in 1918 when Washington scored in the tenth with two out. In this game Johnson pitched the last inning in relief.

Small sample here but worth noting.
Lefty Grove one of the greatest lefthanders.
Most career home runs hit off of Lefty
Ruth- Gehrig-Greenberg all with nine.
Ruth did not face lefty until Ruth's 12th season.

In 1930 Ruth cleared the RCF wall at Shibe Park. Ball struck speaker supports, bounced back on to playing field.
Ruth sent back to second base by umps, only a double.
Pitcher, left Grove.

[Bucketfoot]

Ruth was buildt like a tank but could move, and was a Really good pitcher. Of course he's the #1 guy all time. Duh.

Big Train? Love Big Train. Read his grandson's bio of Walter. Its great. He was great.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

And let's not forget Ruth's going deep against Walter Johnson 10 times. In one two year stretch Johnson gave up only two home runs, both to Ruth. Ruth was a great fast ball hitter, no doubt about it. But even more surprising is Ruth as a pitcher had a 6-3 edge over Johnson, three of those wins by scores of 1-0. One of Ruth's shutouts was a complete game 13 inning gem on Aug. 15, 1916. Johnson's last victory over Ruth was in 1918 when Washington scored in the tenth with two out. In this game Johnson pitched the last inning in relief.

Let me try, going on memory for this one, may be off a bit but I can get it close.
Ruth the pitcher was 5 for 5 in that game, of that I am sure.
I think, three doubles, single and triple.
I believe one out in the 10th, Ruth gets his third double off of Johnson.
Babe thrown out attempted steal of third.
Credit to Walter, the Nats go ahead run, Johnson pinch hitting, sac fly.

Bottom line, talk about a pitcher getting a tough loss. Babe pitched a great game, was 5 for 5 and the losing pitcher.
The man was some kind of a freak. Every time I think I've seen, read it all about him, again he amazes me.
If there were no witnesses, no written accounts, I might not believe half of the Babe stories.

[Badge714]

Pretty good memory Shoeless! Correct on all points (see below). Three doubles, a triple, and a single and as starting pitcher he bats clean up! Yeah, phenomenal stuff. No writer of fiction with the wildest flights of hyperbole and imagination could make this stuff up. Or so it seems, as this is all fact. And lest we forget Ruth had 10 inside the park home runs and stole home ten times in his career. And he still holds the record for shutouts by a lefty in the American League, 9, subsequently tied by Ron Guidry in 1978.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/WS1/WS1191805090.shtml

Let me try, going on memory for this one, may be off a bit but I can get it close.
Ruth the pitcher was 5 for 5 in that game, of that I am sure.
I think, three doubles, single and triple.
I believe one out in the 10th, Ruth gets his third double off of Johnson.
Babe thrown out attempted steal of third.
Credit to Walter, the Nats go ahead run, Johnson pinch hitting, sac fly.

Bottom line, talk about a pitcher getting a tough loss. Babe pitched a great game, was 5 for 5 and the losing pitcher.
The man was some kind of a freak. Every time I think I've seen, read it all about him, again he amazes me.
If there were no witnesses, no written accounts, I might not believe half of the Babe stories.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Pretty good memory Shoeless! Correct on all points (see below). Three doubles, a triple, and a single and as starting pitcher he bats clean up! Yeah, phenomenal stuff. No writer of fiction with the wildest flights of hyperbole and imagination could make this stuff up. Or so it seems, as this is all fact. And lest we forget Ruth had 10 inside the park home runs and stole home ten times in his career. And he still holds the record for shutouts by a lefty in the American League, 9, subsequently tied by Ron Guidry in 1978.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...91805090.shtml

He also had the lowest ERA for a season in the AL for a lefty, 2.75, Guidry came in at 2.74 I think, ron was lower.
I think Babe pitched more innings than Ron.
I was around for that great season by Ron, that was something to watch, like he could not be beat.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

We could and we often do talk about Babe's numbers for eternity, pitching and hitting.

I like to view him in a different way, that really shows what a natural he was, from the start.
Think about it, playing on a dirt field at St. Mary's, no professional training, no real organized baseball, a few games played outside of St. Mary's.
Leaves St. Mary's early 1914, goes to the International league and one of the best pitchers in that league in the same year, 1914. Also 11 triples that year.
A youngster, his first three full seasons as pitcher, 1915-16-17 and over those three years, only two pitchers better than him. Walter Johnson and Grover Alexander, two of the greatest.

Bottom line, off that dirt field and in no time, he is one of the best pitchers in the game. Plain raw talent.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

From the dirt field at St. Mary's, he has what it takes.
His line that year, International League 1914.
About the same as in the AL, a bit high in the walks but low hits/9 Inn.
In fact his hits/9 Inn over the years 1915-16-17, the lowest in both leagues.

[Bucketfoot]

Had he kept pitching, maybe he wins 200 at least?

[bluesky5]

We could and we often do talk about Babe's numbers for eternity, pitching and hitting.

I like to view him in a different way, that really shows what a natural he was, from the start.
Think about it, playing on a dirt field at St. Mary's, no professional training, no real organized baseball, a few games played outside of St. Mary's.
Leaves St. Mary's early 1914, goes to the International league and one of the best pitchers in that league in the same year, 1914. Also 11 triples that year.
A youngster, his first three full seasons as pitcher, 1915-16-17 and over those three years, only two pitchers better than him. Walter Johnson and Grover Alexander, two of the greatest.

Bottom line, off that dirt field and in no time, he is one of the best pitchers in the game. Plain raw talent.

Where he mostly caught correct? Played some SS too I think. I should just look in Randy's Ultimate Babe Ruth Thread [don't post in it anyone]. That thread is the most well layed out and has the best information of any dedicated to any one subject of any on the site.

[four tool]

Had he kept pitching, maybe he wins 200 at least?

he won 94 (more or less) as a pitcher, so 300 would be within reach.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Where he mostly caught correct? Played some SS too I think. I should just look in Randy's Ultimate Babe Ruth Thread [don't post in it anyone]. That thread is the most well layed out and has the best information of any dedicated to any one subject of any on the site.

Mostly a catcher, played little SS and did most of his pitching in 1913. Most of that pitching took play with intramural games, teams formed at St. Marys. He did some pitching outside the walls of St Mary's. One game against St. Joseph's College, struck out 14 and pitched a shut out.
Pitching was certainly on his mind in those years.

How is this for confidence.