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  • The two titans in a couple of their many meetings. What I wouldn't give to have seen a game where these two giants met face to face.
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    • Harry Frazee to Babe.
      A bonus 1918 season......1000.00 if he wins 24 games............an additional 1000.00 if he wins 30 games.

      See Harry's signature at bottom.
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      • Great stuff, SHOELESSJOE3.

        A 1918 Babe Ruth game-used bat recently sold for $537,750, the highest price ever paid for a non-autographed Ruth bat. Heritage Auctions conducted the sale Oct 1-2.

        The bat is 36 inches, 39 ounces.


        "As a bat used by the game's greatest figure during the historic 1918 World Championship Red Sox season, the importance of this lot is difficult to overstate. The fact that this precise bat served as the prototype for all Ruth models to follow from July 9, 1918 through 1926 further elevates the offering toward the outer limits of baseball relevance, challenging and surpassing all but a few relics housed within the Baseball Hall of Fame.

        The bat remains in stunning, undamaged condition today, its length and weight of thirty-six inches and thirty-nine ounces recalling the baby Babe's personal specs in his years in both Boston and the first half of his Yankees service. A ream of paperwork from leading authenticators John Taube (who calls the bat "arguably the finest and most historically significant bat extant") and Vince Malta is available by fax for serious bidders. Dave Bushing and MEARS likewise chime in, providing a grade of A10*, the asterisk denoting superiority even to the few other A10 graded Ruth bats."
















        Story:
        http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-63680737.html

        More on the bat:
        http://sports.ha.com/common/view_ite...=PR-PRTE100609
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        • Originally posted by SultanOfWhat View Post
          SHOELESSJOE3, I will post a few dozen Yankee Stadium pics from the World Series during Ruth's days later today. Also some Opening Day pics as well.
          SULTAN, thanks for those World Series game pics played at Yankee Stadium.
          As you may remember that new found video of Babe, some saying it can't be the 1928 WS because there is none of the decoration, no bunting, Keith Olberman's opinion.

          Now we see in this section and in the Parks section at BBF, some pics of the 1928 WS and we do see bunting at the stadium.

          But, if we look at the pics of the 1928 WS at NY, all the bunting is on the second deck, I don't see any at the ground level. Did I miss some, correct me if wrong.
          In the Babe video all we see is the lower rail, with no bunting. What I'm saying, unless I missed something to say that can't be the 1928 WS because there is no bunting is no longer an issue.
          We can't be sure that the pics and the dates are correct in the pics but if they are, bunting does not enter the equation anymore.

          The strongest case against the video, that it is not the 1928 WS, looks like it's not about the lack of bunting but the better argument is the batter following Ruth does not look like Gehrig, who did follow Babe in the 1928 WS.

          Here are two pics labeled 1928 World Series at NY.
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          • Not to change the subject, but here's an idea.

            If they could find a Babe Ruth game-used uniform, they might be able to test it for sweat-DNA. They might swab it for DNA.

            Then they could test it against anything that his daughter, Dorothy, left behind to prove his paternity. Many people are still sceptical of his paternity to Dorothy, especially Clare's biological daughter, and Babe's adopted daughter, Julia Ruth Stevens (still alive & living in Conway, NH at the age of 93.

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            • Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
              SULTAN, thanks for those World Series game pics played at Yankee Stadium.
              As you may remember that new found video of Babe, some saying it can't be the 1928 WS because there is none of the decoration, no bunting, Keith Olberman's opinion.

              Now we see in this section and in the Parks section at BBF, some pics of the 1928 WS and we do see bunting at the stadium.

              But, if we look at the pics of the 1928 WS at NY, all the bunting is on the second deck, I don't see any at the ground level. Did I miss some, correct me if wrong.
              In the Babe video all we see is the lower rail, with no bunting. What I'm saying, unless I missed something to say that can't be the 1928 WS because there is no bunting is no longer an issue.
              We can't be sure that the pics and the dates are correct in the pics but if they are, bunting does not enter the equation anymore.

              The strongest case against the video, that it is not the 1928 WS, looks like it's not about the lack of bunting but the better argument is the batter following Ruth does not look like Gehrig, who did follow Babe in the 1928 WS.

              Here are two pics labeled 1928 World Series at NY.
              You are correct in pointing out that there is no shot of areas that would have shown bunting in the 1928 WS in the newly discovered YS/Ruth footage.

              However, It is clear that the batter following Ruth is not Gehrig, and it is almost certain that he is in fact Bob Meusel.

              The line-up was in fact Gehrig-Ruth-Meusel (the order depicted in the film footage) for the September 9th-12th 1928 games in YS versus the Athletics, while it was Ruth-Gehrig-Meusel for all 4 1928 WS games. Retrosheet has the box scores:

              http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1928/YPS_1928.htm
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              • Originally posted by SultanOfWhat View Post
                You are correct in pointing out that there is no shot of areas that would have shown bunting in the 1928 WS in the newly discovered YS/Ruth footage.

                However, It is clear that the batter following Ruth is not Gehrig, and it is almost certain that he is in fact Bob Meusel.

                The line-up was in fact Gehrig-Ruth-Meusel (the order depicted in the film footage) for the September 9th-12th 1928 games in YS versus the Athletics, while it was Ruth-Gehrig-Meusel for all 4 1928 WS games. Retrosheet has the box scores:

                http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1928/YPS_1928.htm
                Correct, thats why I say my first shot, the 1928 WS can't be. For sure that does not look like Gehrig coming to the plate and does look like Bob.

                I was just taking Keith's bunting out of the issue.

                I've gone over a number of box scores in regular season at Proquest news archives looking for more games where Bob followed Babe in the regular 1928 season.
                I think Keith could be right with that date he brought up, if I recall in September, I think Sept.9.

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                • Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
                  Not to change the subject, but here's an idea.

                  If they could find a Babe Ruth game-used uniform, they might be able to test it for sweat-DNA. They might swab it for DNA.

                  Then they could test it against anything that his daughter, Dorothy, left behind to prove his paternity. Many people are still sceptical of his paternity to Dorothy, especially Clare's biological daughter, and Babe's adopted daughter, Julia Ruth Stevens (still alive & living in Conway, NH at the age of 93.
                  According to his granddaughter Linda Tosetti, this procedure had already
                  been tried with negative results. A current effort, in other areas to show proof, is ongoing.

                  Thousands have seen it for themselves
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                  • The shift on Ruth and some other stuff.
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                    • NY Jets QB, Mark Sanchez, impersonation of Babe Ruth.
                      Eating a hot dog.................during the game.

                      Only one Mark.............thats all.
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                      • Some might find this surprising, he did it.
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                        • Nice find, SHOELESSJOE3. With the thousands of pictures of Ruth that have survived, we have so little footage of him actually playing, and apparently none of him actually making plays or throws while fielding. Stories like the one you posted give us a glimpse of Ruth beyond the batter's box.

                          Here is a pic I found on the NY Daily News website. The caption says it's of Ruth hitting a grand slam on July 24, 1934 against the Chicago White Sox. Jenkinson says "deep into right field bleachers" and 390 feet:

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                          • Originally posted by SultanOfWhat View Post
                            Probably 1923 (Opening Day or WS? - band on the field suggests OD)
                            This is from Opening Day, 1923.


                            Richard

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                            • Originally posted by SultanOfWhat View Post
                              Maybe 1932 (see configuration of bunting):
                              The bunting may be the same as 1932, but the shadows tell a different story.

                              Notice the shadows of the new lighting fixtures, installed in (I believe) 1946. Perhaps this is from some time around then?


                              Richard


                              EDIT: Also, with the lack of a warning track, this would be sometime before that was added back in. I am still trying to find an exact year for that one, but it may have been sometime in the late 50's.

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                              • Richard, good catch on the lighting structure shadows. After you pointed that out, I was going to say that the pic in question "felt" like the late 40's rather than the late 50's (due to the look of the photo and the high number of men wearing hats). Then I looked through my WS 1936-1964 pics and found that exact pic titled as "1947 World Series". It's not a Corbis or Getty caption, just the jpeg-saved name of the pic, but I think it's accurate.

                                Here's a link to a flickr account with that pic, with the 1947 description:

                                http://www.flickr.com/photos/67827566@N00/2309313604

                                Could very well be the same day (1947 WS, light tower shadows):

                                http://images.google.com/hosted/life...224b493c901588

                                Check out the pre-renovation thread for a great color pic of the 1947 WS from LIFE:

                                http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpo...postcount=3454
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