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  • Babe's first inning, first game in MLB.
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    • Always some where, always on the move.
      Signing balls on a building ledge and into the crowd.
      Obviously not using his arm much in his position, just a little wrist, you can see the ball on the way down.
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      • Only known photo, that I am aware of, Babe with his " laminated Bat" which he used for about 3 weeks in the 1923 season.

        This may be the bat that Bill James referred to when he stated in Slate Magazine that Babe was "caught" using a corked bat. And then goes on to say, Babe probably continued to used corked bats for much of his career

        But, I find it difficult to believe.............impossible to believe that if this is the bat Bill James was speaking of, that Bill confused a laminated bat with a corked bat, he knows better.

        Anyway, laminated bats were not banned in baseball until the 1930s. Add to that, Babe didn't even "get caught" with that laminated bat, it was no secret. The photo and the article appeared in print 3 weeks before Ban Johnson informed Ruth he could no longer use the bat. How do you get caught doing something that is public news, known to MLB.

        Have tried to contact Bill James, no answer, will try to find other ways to reach him.
        My opinion, Bill just tossed out some BS and knows he was wrong, willing to take him on................still waiting Bill.
        Anyone on the board that has contacted Bill, or can give me some info, thank you.
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        • BTW, that only known photo with that bat according to the caption was taken by one of the best, Louis Van Oeyen.
          Louis was with the Cleveland Press and has a section at Getty Images.
          Some of the best shots of Ruth, Cobb, Joe Jackson and some other past greats that have been displayed on BBF, were from his collection.

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          • BABE RUTH SPLITS

            1918

            Away: .290/.380/.587

            Home: .310/.438/.517
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            AWAY

            24 singles
            12 doubles
            3 triples
            11 homeruns
            25 walks
            0 HBP

            50 hits in 172 AB----------.290 BA
            75 times on base/197 PA--.380 OBP
            101 total bases/172 AB----.587 SA
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            HOME

            23 singles
            14 doubles
            8 triples
            0 homeruns
            33 walks
            0 HBP

            45 hits in 145 AB----------.310 BA
            78 times on base/178 PA--.438 OBP
            75 total bases/145 AB-----.517 SA
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            1919

            Away: .319/.435/.694

            Home: .325/.466/.615
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            AWAY

            33 singles
            15 doubles
            6 triples
            20 homeruns
            48 walks

            74 hits in 232 AB-----------.319 BA
            122 times on base/280 PA--.435 OBP
            161 total bases/232 AB-----.694 SA
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            HOME

            31 singles
            19 doubles
            6 triples
            9 homeruns
            53 walks

            65 hits in 200 AB-----------.325 BA
            118 times on base/253 PA--.466 OBP
            123 total bases/200 AB-----.615 SA
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            1920

            Away: .358/.523/.736

            Home: .397/.577/.985
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            AWAY

            48 singles
            15 doubles
            3 triples
            25 homeruns
            87 walks
            1 HBP

            91 hits in 254 AB-----------.358 BA
            179 times on base/342 PA--.523 OBP
            187 total bases/254 AB-----.736 SA
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            HOME

            25 singles
            21 doubles
            6 triples
            29 homeruns
            85 walks
            2 HBP

            81 hits in 204 AB-----------.397 BA
            168 times on base/291 PA--.577 OBP
            201 total bases/204 AB-----.985 SA
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            1921

            Away: .354/.481/.775

            Home: .404/.545/.925
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            AWAY

            44 singles
            21 doubles
            9 triples
            27 homeruns
            66 walks
            4 HBP

            101 hits in 285 AB----------.354 BA
            171 times on base/355 PA--.481 OBP
            221 total bases/285 AB-----.775 SA
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            HOME

            41 singles
            23 doubles
            7 triples
            32 homeruns
            79 walks
            0 HBP

            103 hits in 255 AB----------.404 BA
            182 times on base/334 PA--.545 OBp
            236 total bases/255 AB-----.925 SA
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            1922

            Away: .331/.457/.748

            Home: .297/.407/.589
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            AWAY

            28 singles
            17 doubles
            4 triples
            21 homeruns
            48 walks
            1 HBP

            70 hits in 211 AB-----------.331 BA
            119 times on base/260 PA--.457 OBP
            158 total bases/211 AB-----.748 SA
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            HOME

            33 singles
            7 doubles
            4 triples
            14 homeruns
            36 walks
            0 HBP

            58 hits in 195 AB----------.297 BA
            94 times on base/231 PA--.407 OBP
            115 total bases/195 AB----.589 SA
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            1923

            Away: .377/.518/.728

            Home: .410/.572/.805
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            AWAY

            57 singles
            19 doubles
            6 triples
            22 homeruns
            78 walks
            3 HBP

            104 hits in 276 AB----------.377 BA
            185 times on base/357 PA--.518 OBP
            201 total bases in 276 AB---.728 SA
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            HOME

            49 singles
            26 doubles
            7 triples
            19 homeruns
            92 walks
            1 HBP

            101 hits in 246 AB----------.410 BA
            194 times on base/339 PA--.572 OBP
            198 total bases/246 AB-----.805 SA
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            1924

            Away: .371/.513/.717

            Home: .384/.512/.761
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            AWAY

            54 singles
            21 doubles
            3 triples
            22 homeruns
            76 walks
            2 HBP

            100 hits in 269 AB----------.371 BA
            178 times on base/347 PA--.513 OBP
            193 total bases/269 AB-----.717 SA
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            HOME

            54 singles
            18 doubles
            4 triples
            24 homeruns
            66 walks
            2 HBP

            100 hits in 260 AB--------.384 BA
            168 times on base/328 PA--.512 OBP
            198 total bases/260 AB----.761 SA
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            1925

            Away: .288/.383/.596

            Home: .290/.400/.502
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            AWAY

            26 singles
            4 doubles
            1 triple
            14 homeruns
            24 walks
            0 HBP

            45 hits in 156 AB----------.288 BA
            69 times on base/180 PA--.383 OBP
            93 total bases/156 AB-----.596 SA
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            HOME

            39 singles
            8 doubles
            1 triple
            11 homeruns
            35 walks
            2 HBP

            59 hits in 203 AB = .290 BA
            96 times reaching base/240 PA = .400 OBP
            102 total bases/203 AB = .502 SA
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            1926

            Away: .393/.527/.767

            Home: .348/.503/.705
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            AWAY

            56 singles
            17 doubles
            3 triples
            24 homeruns
            70 walks
            2 HBP

            100 hits in 254 AB----------.393 BA
            172 times on base/326 PA--.527 OBP
            195 total bases/254 AB-----.767 SA
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            HOME

            46 singles
            13 doubles
            2 triples
            23 homeruns
            74 walks
            1 HBP

            84 hits in 241 AB------------.348 BA
            159 times on base/316 PA---.503 OBP
            170 total bases/241 AB------.705
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            1927

            Away: .341/.483/.770

            Home: .371/.488/.774
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            AWAY

            43 singles
            19 doubles
            4 triples
            32 homeruns
            79 walks
            0 HBP

            98 hits in 287 AB------------.341 BA
            177 times on base/366 PA--.483 OBP
            221 total bases/287 AB------.770
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            HOME

            52 singles
            10 doubles
            4 triples
            28 homeruns
            58 walks
            0 HBP

            94 hits in 253 AB-----------.371 BA
            152 times on base/311 PA--.488 OBp
            196 total bases/253 AB-----.774
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            1928

            Away: .315/.466/.692

            Home: .330/.456/.726
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            AWAY

            37 singles
            21 doubles
            4 triples
            25 homeruns
            77 walks
            1 HBP

            87 hits in 276 AB = .315 BA
            165 times on base in 354 PA = .466 OBP
            191 total bases in 276 AB = .692 SA
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            HOME

            45 singles
            8 doubles
            4 triples
            29 homeruns
            58 walks
            2 HBP

            86 hits in 260 AB-------------.330 BA
            146 times on base in 320 PA--.456 OBP
            189 total bases in 260 AB-----.726 SA
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            1929

            Away: .356/.431/.712

            Home: .330/.429/.679
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            AWAY

            53 singles
            19 doubles
            3 triples
            25 homeruns
            35 walks
            2 HBP

            100 hits in 281 AB------------.356
            137 times on base/318 PA----.431 OBP
            200 total bases/281 AB-------.712 SA
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            HOME

            41 singles
            7 doubles
            3 triples
            21 homeruns
            37 walks
            1 HBP

            72 hits in 218 AB-------------.330 BA
            110 times on base/256 PA----.429 OBP
            148 total bases/218 AB-------.679 SA
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            1930

            Away: .346/.481/.682

            Home: .373/.506/.786
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            AWAY

            53 singles
            15 doubles
            4 triples
            23 homeruns
            71 walks

            95 hits in 274 AB-----------.346 BA
            166 times on base/345 PA--.481
            187 total bases/274 AB-----.682 SA
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            HOME

            47 singles
            13 doubles
            5 triples
            26 homeruns
            65 walks
            1 HBP

            91 hits in 244 AB-----------.373 BA
            157 times on base/310 PA--.786 SA
            192 total bases/244 AB-----.787
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            1931

            Away: .385/.506/.726

            Home: .359/.483/.674
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            AWAY

            59 singles
            19 doubles
            3 triples
            22 homeruns
            65 walks
            0 HBP

            103 hits in 267 AB----------.385 BA
            168 times on base/332 PA--.506 OBP
            194 total bases/267 AB-----.726 SA
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            HOME

            60 singles
            12 doubles
            0 triples
            24 homeruns
            63 walks
            1 HBP

            96 hits in 267 AB-----------.359 BA
            160 times on base/331 PA--.483 OBP
            180 total bases/267 AB-----.674 SA
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            1932

            Home: .326/.472/.632

            Away: .357/.507/.670
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            AWAY

            53 singles
            2 doubles
            3 triples
            20 homers
            65 BB
            1 HBP

            78 hits in 218 AB-----------.357 BA
            144 times on base/284 PA--.507 OBP
            146 total bases/218 AB-----.670 SA
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            HOME

            49 singles
            6 doubles
            2 triples
            21 homers
            65 BB
            1 HBP

            78 hits in 239 AB-----------.326 BA
            144 times on base/305 PA--.472 OBP
            151 total bases/239 AB-----.632 SA

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            • Anyone up for helping with '33, '34 and '35?

              If so, go here http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...oric-Game-Logs and click on the baberuth.xls link at bottom of Ubi's first post. That will open up an excel file with all the years.

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              • Originally posted by csh19792001
                Notice I included myself in the hero worship category as you, Randy. In the same sentence! We're both clouded by nostalgia. I NEVER said you were blind! FAR FROM IT, bro!

                I revere you, Shoelessjoe, Nimrod, and Badge714 (among others) as our all time greatest Ruth scholars, just as I honor Burgess for Cobb, Westfield for Mays, and WJackman for The Ferrell Brothers.

                (This doesn't mean their love and admiration and nostalgia doesn't significantly cloud their/our judgement about how players of yore would do today).
                We will take this over to the Babe Ruth Thread, so we don't intrude on the other threads intentions.

                It really doesn't matter if you include yourself when accusing someone else of something. It doesn't soften the accusation.

                If the definition of "hero worship" is - a profound reverence for great people or their memory, then yes, I think myself, along with many others are hero worshipers. Not just toward Ruth, but many ballplayers. My problem is that you used the term in a negative light, and stated that I am in some way "clouded" by that admiration. That couldn't be further from the truth; quite the contrary actually. By delving into a subject to such a degree, you peel back the layers (good and bad) one by one, and with Ruth, you never feel like the layers will end.

                The difficult part comes, when trying to describe certain events and accomplishments, to those who haven't done the same. I can start to truly believe he genuinely felt this, when Waite Hoyt said something like "Many years ago, I stopped talking about Babe Ruth, because I realized those who never saw him, didn't believe me anyway." Well to a much lesser degree obviously, I feel the same way on this site sometimes, as does Shoeless I'm sure. Some of the things he did on and off the field, you wouldn't make up.

                As I have stated before, let's talk about the good and the bad. If someone makes a comment about his suspensions in '22, I am the first one to say his behavior was uncalled for. DrStrange even wanted to adjust for missed games in '22 and '25 and I didn't agree. I think a blind hero worshiper would have agreed. No, instead, my goal is to examine each and every incident, and after doing so, you come to realize that even though he didn't handle himself properly, he was being made an example of. That is the price of being the man.

                So I challenge you, Mr. Christopher, so show me an example, where I have made Babe out to be something he wasn't. Or where I have over-stated any accomplishment of his...... :atthepc:atthepc
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                • Couldn't figure out how to get the video to show up on here.

                  Bob Feller talks of things, including Babe Ruth.

                  http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...py_7144031&v=3

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                  • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                    Couldn't figure out how to get the video to show up on here.

                    Bob Feller talks of things, including Babe Ruth.

                    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...py_7144031&v=3
                    At times Bob may have said some things that rubbed some the wrong way, but overall, I respect, admire and liked the guy.
                    Though exempt from military service, his dad was terminally ill, only days after Pearl Harbor Bob enlisted in the Navy. No Special Service like some athletes in the war, Bob saw action and was awarded some medals.
                    When asked about missing his chance at 300+ wins, no regrets he said, his country came first.

                    On that Babe bat, I did post this article long ago, some may have missed it.
                    Never revealed, the name of Bob's teammate who took the bat after the game, may have sold it, no details given.
                    After about 40 years or more Bob did locate the bat.
                    You won't find it in this article but another article I have. Bob paid around 90,000.00............to buy back, his own bat.
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                    • He was clearly the dominant figure in pop culture here in the States during the '20's. I don't think we realize just how pervasive RUTH was then.

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                      • Agreed! But even today Ruth maintains a hold as a dominant figure in our collective concious, at least, among educated people. Perusing that greatest of sports biographies, The Life That Ruth Built, by the late, great, Marshall Smelser I find his last line reading: ". . . he is our Hercules, our Samson, Beowulf, Siegfried. No other person outside of public life so stirred our imaginations or so captured our affections." Just so. In an earlier paragraph Smelser wrote, "His fame will last. Once a living legend crosses from the first generation into the third generation the legend is secure and durable." And all this as a result of achievement; nay, stupendous achievement. As long as baseball is played the benchmark will be Babe Ruth. And yes, I know Ruth was flawed, but again, to quote Smelser, "In his departures from virtue there was nothing decadent. His lapses were because of appetite, not conviction." There is an everyman quality to Ruth and to me, that makes him all the more appealing.

                        Originally posted by TomBodet View Post
                        He was clearly the dominant figure in pop culture here in the States during the '20's. I don't think we realize just how pervasive RUTH was then.
                        ". . . the Ruth, the whole Ruth and nothing but the Ruth . . ."

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                        • "Ruth was not vice-riddled but his virtues had defects." - Marshall Smelser

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                          • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                            We will take this over to the Babe Ruth Thread, so we don't intrude on the other threads intentions.

                            It really doesn't matter if you include yourself when accusing someone else of something. It doesn't soften the accusation.

                            If the definition of "hero worship" is - a profound reverence for great people or their memory, then yes, I think myself, along with many others are hero worshipers. Not just toward Ruth, but many ballplayers. My problem is that you used the term in a negative light, and stated that I am in some way "clouded" by that admiration. That couldn't be further from the truth; quite the contrary actually. By delving into a subject to such a degree, you peel back the layers (good and bad) one by one, and with Ruth, you never feel like the layers will end.

                            The difficult part comes, when trying to describe certain events and accomplishments, to those who haven't done the same. I can start to truly believe he genuinely felt this, when Waite Hoyt said something like "Many years ago, I stopped talking about Babe Ruth, because I realized those who never saw him, didn't believe me anyway." Well to a much lesser degree obviously, I feel the same way on this site sometimes, as does Shoeless I'm sure. Some of the things he did on and off the field, you wouldn't make up.

                            As I have stated before, let's talk about the good and the bad. If someone makes a comment about his suspensions in '22, I am the first one to say his behavior was uncalled for. DrStrange even wanted to adjust for missed games in '22 and '25 and I didn't agree. I think a blind hero worshiper would have agreed. No, instead, my goal is to examine each and every incident, and after doing so, you come to realize that even though he didn't handle himself properly, he was being made an example of. That is the price of being the man.

                            So I challenge you, Mr. Christopher, so show me an example, where I have made Babe out to be something he wasn't. Or where I have over-stated any accomplishment of his...... :atthepc:atthepc
                            I'm not saying you're blind, brother! Clearly you've dedicated years and years of your life to studying Ruth. And you've contributed more in my time here than anyone to edifying us all on Babe. And I admire your time, effort, and passion. Probably admire it more than you even know!

                            I suppose the best way I can sum this up....name one other athletic endeavor where you or I WOULDN'T be laughed out of the room during a debate if we claimed that someone born in the 1800's is undeniably the greatest in the history of their respective sport.
                            Last edited by csh19792001; 02-16-2013, 09:49 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                              Anyone up for helping with '33, '34 and '35?

                              If so, go here http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...oric-Game-Logs and click on the baberuth.xls link at bottom of Ubi's first post. That will open up an excel file with all the years.
                              What is Ruth's complete career line against LHP, based on your research, Randy?

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                              • Originally posted by csh19792001 View Post

                                I suppose the best way I can sum this up....name one other athletic endeavor where you or I WOULDN'T be laughed out of the room during a debate if we claimed that someone born in the 1800's is undeniably the greatest in the history of their respective sport.
                                Well to start off with "the 1800's" is technically correct, but 1895 isn't exactly 1801. The people who would "laugh" you out of a room regarding a baseball comparison, have no idea of the many factors involved in a comparison such as that.

                                I will say this. Even though I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall....well, probably a bad term...talking to an "already knowing" wall, is more appropriate statement. Willie Mays was born further apart from Ken Griffey Jr than to Babe Ruth. Yeah that means little, just a fun fact. Still, let's think about the sport of baseball, and how it is completely UNLIKE any other sport. In other sports where physical contact takes place, sheer size and strength means something. Not so much in baseball. Heck, when Greenberg was a freak at 6'4" and Sexson was a carnival side show at 6"6', and that size didn't necessarily help him; in fact I thin it hurt him at the plate.

                                Baseball has, is, and always will be a sport where success is predicated on a finite skill set..some which cannot be pin pointed. You have studied Ruth, and have learned a lot from this site. There is no hero worship needed, to make the definite statement that he is the longest hitter baseball has ever produced, no matter the era. I can't explain it, you can't, nobody can. It just is.

                                The proof is there. I see his skill set as the most complete in baseball history. Here is a player who should have won a gold glove, a Cy Young, a HR title, a batting title, 12 MVP's, etc. You and Burgess see Cobb as the best all-around player, even though he could never have hit for the power of Ruth (even if he abandoned his stubborn mindset) and never had half his arm. That is ok. Opinions differ and discussions arise. That's why this site is fun.

                                Colin Cowherd is a national ESPN radio talk show host now. He started here in Portland as a regional guy. He is famous for discounting what Ruth did, because he only played against white players. Of course, he doesn't know Ruth competed against amazing Negro Leaguers and still performed brilliantly. That would ruin his pre-conceived idea of Ruth the pretender. Then, in the next breath, on several occasions, I have listened to Colin Cowherd state that Wilt Chamberlain is the most dominant basketball player of all time, singing his praises as the greatest. Does anyone else see a problem here? A sport such as basketball, where success IS PRIMARILY PREDICATED ON SIZE AND STRENGTH, where Wilt, as a center, was going against 5'9' opponents, is being given more credit than Ruth. That pretty much sums up the ignorance.

                                I guess, to ultimately answer your question, I would respond with a question of my own. How educated are the people in that room?

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