*Babe Ruth Thread*

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I'm amused at how many times I hear or see in print, that Babe had trouble with the slow stuff.
If true wouldn't it make sense to mix in lots of slow pitches. How does he hit 714 home runs and bat .342. if it's (supposed) that slow stuff gives him trouble.

Hornsby on, "how to pitch to Babe Ruth."

The dealer kept that picture of Babe in the window for a week or two. He was walked in his other two plate appearances.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

I'll have to dig deeper into how he fared against the Big Train.

I started in 1927 and worked my way back, using bbref.com's game logs. Here are the relevant games where Ruth would have faced Johnson, in relief, or otherwise. For 1915, there were no game logs, so I found the only game they went head to head. Hope this helps in trying to get his line against Big Train.

8/14/15
4/17/16
4/29/16
6/1/16
6/28/16
7/1/16
8/12/16
8/15/16
9/9/16
9/12/16
5/7/17
10/3/17
5/7/18
5/9/18
6/30/18
4/28/19
5/8/19
6/25/19
8/31/19
4/29/20
5/5/20
5/9/20
5/31/20
4/25/21
5/7/21
6/1/21
6/25/21
9/1/21
5/22/22
5/28/22
6/28/22
8/29/22
9/8/22
4/22/23
5/2/23
5/30/23
7/4/23
4/20/24
5/1/24
5/28/24
7/5/24
8/29/24
6/1/25
4/20/26
6/2/26
7/1/26
8/13/26
8/30/26
7/4/27

[pheasant]

I started in 1927 and worked my way back, using bbref.com's game logs. Here are the relevant games where Ruth would have faced Johnson, in relief, or otherwise. For 1915, there were no game logs, so I found the only game they went head to head. Hope this helps in trying to get his line against Big Train.

8/14/15
4/17/16
4/29/16
6/1/16
6/28/16
7/1/16
8/12/16
8/15/16
9/9/16
9/12/16
5/7/17
10/3/17
5/7/18
5/9/18
6/30/18
4/28/19
5/8/19
6/25/19
8/31/19
4/29/20
5/5/20
5/9/20
5/31/20
4/25/21
5/7/21
6/1/21
6/25/21
9/1/21
5/22/22
5/28/22
6/28/22
8/29/22
9/8/22
4/22/23
5/2/23
5/30/23
7/4/23
4/20/24
5/1/24
5/28/24
7/5/24
8/29/24
6/1/25
4/20/26
6/2/26
7/1/26
8/13/26
8/30/26
7/4/27

That helps a lot, Sultan. That'll be my next project. Lefty Grove and the Big Train were by far the best pitchers in the AL during Ruth's time(except for perhaps Ruth himself).

[SHOELESSJOE3]

That helps a lot, Sultan. That'll be my next project. Lefty Grove and the Big Train were by far the best pitchers in the AL during Ruth's time(except for perhaps Ruth himself).

Sure your probably aware of it, that Ruth hit the most off of Johnson and tied with Gehrig and Greenberg with the most off of Grove, all with 9 home runs. And that Ruth did lose one homer off of Grove at Shibe in 1930, he would have been alone with 10 career off of Grove.

Admittedly, only a small sample, two pitchers but he had success with the long ball against two of the greatest and he never faced Grove until 1926.

[BSmile]

Just another story about a Babe home run, one of many.

Good one!
Funny stuff about the guy getting knocked out from the ball...and it looks like his journal entry is correct about the game.
Here's the box score from that game: 7/30/1921: Indians 16 - Yankees 1

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I think this was the one time they faced off in 1915, August 14.
Babe 2 for 3, 2 singles one run scored.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

1918-1934

HERE ARE THE % OF RUTH'S HR THAT CAME BEFORE THE 7TH INNING

1918-----7 of 11 HR (63.6%)
1919----16 of 29 HR (55.1%)
1920----43 of 54 HR (79.6%)
1921----40 of 59 HR (67.7%)
1922----20 of 35 HR (57.1%)
1923----28 of 41 HR (68.2%)
1924----29 of 46 HR (63.0%)
1925----15 of 25 HR (60.0%)
1926----31 of 47 HR (65.9%)
1927----40 of 60 HR (66.6%)
1928----35 of 54 HR (64.8%)
1929----28 of 46 HR (60.8%)
1930----34 of 49 HR (69.3%)
1931----34 of 46 HR (73.9%)
1932----31 of 41 HR (75.6%)
1933----24 of 34 HR (70.5%)
1934----14 of 22 HR (63.6%)
1935-----6 of -6 HR (100%)

NOW, LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT RUTH'S HR THAT CAME AFTER THE 6TH INNING

* Go ahead homer, Babe's team didn't win

** Go ahead homer, Babe's team won

*** Homer to tie

+ (see note)


---------------------------------------------1918


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---5/4/18---------7th--------Yanks up 4-1------------two-run HR-------------------RH starter (Russell)

---6/15/18--------7th--------Tied 4-4----------------three-run HR------------------RH reliever (Rogers) **

---6/28/18--------7th--------Wash. up 1-0-----------solo HR-----------------------LH starter (Harper) ***

---6/30/18--------10th-------Tied 1-1----------------two-run HR-------------------RH starter (Johnson) **


---------------------------------------------1919


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---5/30/19--------8th--------Tied 1-1--------------two-run HR-----------------RH starter (Perry) *

---6/24/19--------7th--------Wash. up 2-0----------solo HR--------------------RH starter (Robertson)

---7/5/19---------8th--------A's up 4-2------------two-run HR-----------------RH starter (J. Johnson) ***

---7/5/19---------10th-------A's up 8-5------------solo HR--------------------RH starter (J. Johnson)

---7/18/19--------9th--------Indians up 7-3--------grand slam w/ 2 outs-------LH reliever (Coumbe) ** + (Hit 2-run HR off RH starter Jasper in 4th inning to put Sox up 2-1)

---7/21/19--------9th--------Tigers up 6-1----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Ehmke)

---7/24/19--------8th--------Yankees up 3-2--------two-run HR-----------------RH starter (Shawkey) **

---7/29/19--------9th--------Tigers up 10-6---------two-run HR-----------------LH starter (Leonard)

---8/14/19--------7th--------Red Sox up 10-6-------two-run HR-----------------LH reliever (Kerr)

---9/1/19---------7th--------Tied 1-1---------------two-run HR-----------------RH starter (Shaw) **

---9/8/19---------8th--------Red Sox up 2-1--------solo HR--------------------LH starter (Thormahlen)

---9/20/19--------9th--------Tied 3-3--------------solo HR---------------------LH starter (Williams) **

---9/24/19--------9th--------Tied 1-1--------------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Shawkey) ***


---------------------------------------------1920


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---5/27/20--------8th--------Yanks up 4-1----------solo HR--------------------RH reliever (Karr) + (Hit solo HR off LH starter Harper in 6th inning)

---5/31/20--------8th--------Tied 7-7--------------two-run HR-----------------RH starter (Johnson) **

---6/2/20 gm1-----8th--------Yanks up 6-1----------solo HR--------------------RH reliever (Carlson) + (Hit 2-run HR off LH starter Zachary in 1st inn to put Yanks up 2-0)

---6/2/20 gm2-----8th--------Wash. up 7-5----------solo HR--------------------RH starter (Snyder)

---6/16/20--------8th--------Yanks up 3-2----------two-run HR-----------------RH starter (Faber)

---6/25/20--------9th--------Red Sox up 6-2--------solo HR--------------------LH starter (Pennock) + (Hit 2-run HR off Pennock in 1st inn to put Yanks up 2-1)

---6/30/20--------9th--------Yanks up 5-3----------solo HR--------------------RH reliever (Bigbee)

---7/19/20--------9th--------White Sox up 8-4------solo HR--------------------LH starter (Kerr) + (Hit 2-run HR in the 4th inn off Kerr to put Yank up 2-1)

---7/30/20--------9th--------Yanks up 15-3---------two-run HR----------------RH reliever (Vangilder)

---7/31/20--------8th--------Browns up 13-4--------solo HR--------------------RH starter (Shocker)

---9/29/20--------9th--------Yanks up 5-3----------two-run HR-----------------RH reliever (Keefe)


---------------------------------------------1921


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---4/20/21--------7th--------Tied 1-1---------------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Russell) **

---4/21/21--------9th--------Yanks up 4-1----------two-run HR------------------LH starter (Moore)

---5/2/21---------9th--------Red Sox up 1-0--------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Jones) ***

---5/7/21---------8th--------Wash. up 4-2----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Johnson) + (could have been to tie, can't tell)

---5/14/21--------8th--------Indians up 4-2--------three-run HR-----------------RH starter (Bagby) **

---5/17/21--------9th--------Indians up 4-1---------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Uhle)

---5/25/21--------7th--------Browns up 4-3---------three-run HR----------------RH starter (Shocker) *

---5/31/21--------9th--------Wash. up 12-2---------three-run HR----------------LH starter (Zachary)

---6/11/21--------7th--------Tigers up 6-3----------three-run HR----------------RH starter (Middleton) ***

---6/13/21--------7th--------Yanks up 11-5---------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Ehmke) + (Hit solo HR off Ehmke in 3rd inning)

---6/20/21--------10th-------Tied 6-6---------------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Myers) **

---7/2/21---------7th--------Yanks up 4-1-----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Russell)

---7/12/21--------7th--------Yanks up 5-3-----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Davis) + (Hit 3-run HR off Davis in 3rd inning to put Yanks ahead)

---7/18/21--------8th--------Yanks up 8-1----------two-run HR------------------LH reliever (Cole)

---8/6/21---------8th--------Tigers up 8-4----------three-run HR----------------LH starter (Oldham) + (could have been to tie, can't tell)

---8/12/21--------8th--------A's up 7-5-------------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Hasty)

---8/18/21--------7th--------White Sox up 4-3------three-run HR----------------RH starter (Faber) *

---9/2/21---------7th--------Yanks up 5-3----------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Erickson)

---9/5/21---------9th--------Red Sox up 8-1--------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Karr)


---------------------------------------------1922


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---5/22/22--------8th--------Browns up 3-0---------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Vangilder)

---6/9/22---------9th--------White Sox up 10-5-----solo HR----------------------LH starter (Courtney)

---7/1/22---------7th--------Yanks up 6-3----------solo HR----------------------LH starter (Heimach) + (Hit solo HR off Heimach in 4th inning)

---7/2/22---------8th--------Yanks up 5-3----------three-run HR------------------RH reliever (Yarrison)

---7/3/22--------7th---------Yanks up 5-0----------solo HR-----------------------RH reliever (Eckert)

---7/17/22--------7th--------White Sox up 3-2------two-run HR-------------------RH starter (Robertson) *

---7/26/22--------7th--------Tied 1-1--------------solo HR-----------------------RH starter (Wright) + (could have been to go ahead, can't tell)

---7/26/22--------9th--------Yanks up 7-6----------two-run HR-------------------LH reliever (Bayne)

---7/29/22--------7th--------Yanks up 5-2----------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Hodge)

---8/4/22---------7th--------Yanks up 5-4----------two-run HR-------------------LH reliever (Mails)

---8/9/22---------9th--------Yanks up 7-3----------solo HR----------------------LH reliever (Cole)

---8/18/22--------10th-------Tied 7-7--------------solo HR-----------------------LH reliever (Davenport) **

---8/20/22--------9th--------White Sox up 5-4------three-run HR-----------------RH starter (Faber) ** + (Hit 2-run HR off Faber in 1st inning)

---9/11/22--------8th--------Yanks up 8-2----------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Schilling) + (Hit solo HR off RH reliever Naylor in 5th inning - 2 HR and 2 doubles)

---9/21/22---------7th--------Tigers up 8-4---------solo HR----------------------LH reliever (Oldham) + (could have been to tie, can't tell)


---------------------------------------------1923


-----Date-------Inning----------Score------------Description---------------Pitcher


---5/17/23--------9th---------Yanks up 7-2-----------solo HR-------------------LH reliever (Bayne)

---5/18/23--------7th---------Yanks up 6-3-----------two-run HR----------------RH reliever (Wright)

---5/22/23--------15th--------Tied 1-1---------------two-run HR----------------LH starter (Cvengros) **

---7/3/23---------15th--------Tied 1-1---------------solo HR--------------------LH starter (Mogridge) **

---7/7/23---------8th---------Browns up 13-2---------solo HR-------------------RH starter (Vangilder) + (Hit solo HR off Vangilder in 1st inning)

---7/14/23--------8th---------Yanks up 6-4-----------solo HR-------------------RH reliever (Metevier)

---7/24/23--------9th---------Yanks up 6-2-----------three-run HR--------------LH reliever (Walberg)

---8/1/23---------9th---------Indians up 5-1---------two-run HR----------------LH starter (Smith)

---8/11/23--------9th---------Tigers up 7-3----------solo HR-inside park---------RH starter (Dauss) + (4-run 9th inn to tie, NYY win in 10th. Maybe to tie, can't tell)

---8/15/23--------8th---------Browns up 5-0----------two-run HR----------------RH starter (Shocker)

---8/18/23--------9th---------White Sox up 5-3-------three-run HR--------------LH starter (Cvengros) **

---9/16/23--------7th---------Tied 2-2----------------solo HR-------------------RH starter (Uhle) + (Yanks scored twice in 7th, could have been **, can't tell)


---------------------------------------------1924


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---4/20/24--------9th--------Wash. up up 12-2--------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Johnson)

---4/23/24--------8th--------Yanks up 9-3------------three-run HR-----------------RH reliever (Howe)

---4/28/24--------7th--------Yanks up 7-6------------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Harriss)

---4/28/24--------8th--------Yanks up 10-6-----------solo HR----------------------LH reliever (Baumgartner)

---5/31/24--------9th--------A's up 5-2--------------solo HR-----------------------RH starter (Gray)

---7/1/24---------9th--------Yanks up 4-0------------three-run HR-----------------RH starter (Burns)

---7/3/24---------8th--------A's up 10-2-------------two-run HR-------------------RH starter (Gray)

---7/6/24---------8th--------Wash. up 4-2------------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Martina)

---7/10/24--------7th--------Tied 1-1----------------two-run HR-------------------RH starter (Connally) + (Yanks scored 5 R in 7th inning. No way to tell if Ruth's HR put them ahead or not)

---7/14/24--------7th-------Browns up 9-0------------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Wingard)

---7/14/24--------8th-------Browns up 9-1------------three-run HR-----------------RH starter (Wingard)

---7/23/24--------11th------Tied up 3-3--------------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Dauss) **

---7/26/24--------14th------Tied 4-4-----------------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Connally) **

---8/28/24--------7th-------Yanks up 4-3-------------two-run HR-------------------RH reliever (Russell)

---9/8/24---------8th-------Tied 0-0-----------------two-run HR-------------------RH starter (Fullerton) **

---9/11/24--------8th-------Red Sox up 3-1-----------two-run HR-------------------RH starter (Ehmke) ***

---9/13/24--------8th-------Yanks up 10-1------------two-run HR-------------------RH reliever (Lyons)


---------------------------------------------1925


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---6/11/25--------7th-------Indians up 4-0-----------solo HR-----------------------LH starter (Miller)

---7/1/25---------7th-------Yanks up 8-5------------two-run HR--------------------LH reliever (Ross) + (Hit solo HR in 3rd inning to tie off LH starter Fuhr)

---7/20/25--------7th-------Tigers up 6-3------------two-run HR--------------------RH starter (Collins)

---7/28/25--------7th-------Yanks up 4-2------------two-run HR--------------------LH starter (Wingard)

---8/18/25--------8th-------Tied 1-1-----------------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Stoner) + (Tied 1-1 going into 8th inning. Could have been to go ahead)

---8/24/25--------7th-------Indians up 2-0-----------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Miller)

---9/8/25---------7th-------Yanks up 5-2------------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Ross)

---9/12/25--------9th-------Yanks up 6-2------------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Walberg)

---9/24/25--------10th------White Sox up 5-2--------grand slam HR-----------------RH reliever (Connally) **


---------------------------------------------1926


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---4/23/26--------7th--------Yanks up 2-1-----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Ruffing)

---4/24/26--------8th--------Yanks up up 6-1--------three-run HR----------------RH reliever (Lundgren)

---4/30/26--------7th--------Yanks up 3-2-----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Coveleski)

---5/13/26--------8th--------Yanks up 11-9----------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Karr) + (Hit 2-run HR off LH starter Shaute in 3rd inning)

---5/15/22--------8th--------Yanks up 8-1-----------two-run HR-----------------RH reliever (Thomas)

---5/19/26--------8th--------Yanks up 4-1-----------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Ballou) + (Hit 3-run HR off LH starter Zachary in 3rd inning to put Yanks up 3-0)

---5/25/26--------7th--------Yanks up 3-1-----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Zahniser)

---6/8/26---------11th-------Tied 9-9---------------two-run HR------------------RH reliever (Holloway) ** + (Hit 2-run HR off RH starter Stoner in 3rd inning)

---6/27/26--------7th--------Tied 0-0---------------solo HR---------------------LH starter (Heimach) + (Tied 0-0 going into 7th, Yanks scored 5 R that inning)

---7/31/26--------8th--------Tied 1-1---------------solo HR---------------------LH starter (Edwards) **

---8/9/26---------7th--------Yanks up 6-3----------two-run HR------------------LH reliever (Johns)

---8/28/26--------8th--------Tigers up 5-3----------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Stoner)

---9/11/26--------9th--------Tigers up 8-4----------three-run HR----------------RH starter (Stoner) + (Yanks scored 6 R in 9th inning to win 10-8)

---9/19/26--------7th--------Yanks up 5-3----------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Levsen)

---9/21/26--------9th--------Yanks up 9-0----------two-run HR------------------RH reliever (Cox) + (Yanks scored 5 R in 9th inning)

---9/25/26--------9th--------Yanks up 8-4----------solo HR----------------------LH reliever (Giard) + (Hit 2-run HR off RH reliever Ballou in 6th inning)


---------------------------------------------1927


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---5/1/27---------8th--------Yanks up 4-3----------solo HR---------------------LH reliever (Walberg) + (Hit 2-run HR off RH starter Quinn in 1st inning)

---5/17/27--------8th--------Yanks up 6-2----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Collins)

---5/28/27--------7th--------Yanks up 3-2----------three-run HR----------------RH starter (Thurston)

---5/29/27--------8th--------Yanks up 8-7----------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (MacFayden) + (Yanks scored 7 R in 8th inning)

---5/30/27--------11th-------Tied up 5-5------------solo HR---------------------LH reliever (Walberg) **

---6/12/27--------7th--------Indians up 8-4---------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Uhle)

---6/22/27--------7th--------Red Sox up 4-3--------two-run HR------------------LH starter (Wiltse) ** (Yanks scored 4 R in 7th inn) + (Hit solo HR off Wiltse in 5th inning to tie game at 3-3)

---7/12/27--------9th--------Yanks up 4-0----------two-run HR------------------LH starter (Shaute)

---7/28/27--------8th--------Yanks up 7-3----------two-run HR------------------LH reliever (Stewart)

---8/5/27---------8th--------Yanks up 4-2----------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Smith)

---8/17/27--------11th-------Tied up 2-2------------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Connally) **

---8/27/27--------8th--------Yanks up 10-1---------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Nevers)

---8/31/27--------8th--------Yanks up 9-1----------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Welzer)

---9/6/27gm1------7th--------Yanks up 11-2---------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Welzer) + (Hit 3-run HR off Welzer in 6th inning)

---9/6/27gm2------9th--------Red sox up 5-0--------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Russell)

---9/7/27---------8th--------Yanks up 10-8---------two-run HR------------------RH reliever (Harriss)

---9/13/27--------7th--------Indians up 2-1--------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Hudlin) **

---9/21/27--------9th--------Tigers up 6-0---------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Gibson)

---9/22/27--------9th--------Tigers up 7-6---------two-run HR------------------RH reliever (Holloway) **

---9/30/27--------8th--------Tied 2-2--------------two-run HR------------------LH starter (Zachary) **


---------------------------------------------1928


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---4/24/28--------7th--------Yanks up 3-0----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Lisenbee) + (Hit solo HR off Lisenbee in 3rd inning)

---5/12/28--------7th--------Tigers up 7-6----------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Stoner) ***

---5/14/28--------7th--------Yanks up 6-4----------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Vangilder)

---5/24/28--------8th--------A's up 5-1-------------solo HR---------------------LH starter (Orwoll)

---5/25/28--------7th--------Yanks up 7-1----------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Rommel) + (Hit 3-run HR off LH starter Walberg in 1st inning)

---5/29/28--------7th--------Yanks up 9-1----------solo HR---------------------LH reliever (Brown) + (Hit solo HR off Brown in 4th inning)

---6/7/28---------9th--------Yanks up 4-1----------three-run HR----------------LH starter (Shaute) + (Indians up 1-0 through 7 innings. Yanks score 8 in last 2 innings, 4 of them earned)

---6/10/28--------9th--------White Sox up 8-5------solo HR---------------------RH reliever (Lyons) + (Hit solo HR off RH starter Faber in 5th inning to put Yanks up 4-3)

---6/17/28--------7th--------Browns up 2-1---------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Ogden)

---6/28/28--------8th--------Yanks up 7-4----------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Earnshaw) + (Hit 2-run HR off LH starter Walberg in 1st inning)

---7/8/28---------9th--------Browns up 5-1---------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Blaeholder)

---7/11/28--------7th--------Yanks up 5-3----------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Gibson)

---7/18/28--------9th--------White Sox up 8-6----------three-run HR-------------RH starter (Lyons) **

---7/19/28--------7th--------Yanks up 4-3----------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Thomas) + (Hit 2-run HR off Thomas in 1st inning to put Yanks up 2-1)

---7/21/28--------7th-------Tied 0-0---------------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Walsh) + (Yanks scored 2 R in 7th, could have been go ahead HR)

---8/30/28--------7th--------Wash. up 3-0----------solo HR---------------------RH starter (Jones)

---9/8/28---------7th--------Wash. up 3-2----------three-run HR----------------LH starter (Braxton) **

---9/11/28--------8th--------A's up 3-1-------------two-run HR-----------------LH starter (Grove) ***

---9/28/28--------8th--------Yanks up 8-3----------two-run HR------------------LH reliever (Page)


---------------------------------------------1929


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---4/28/29--------7th--------Yanks up 6-2----------solo HR----------------------LH reliever (Burke)

---5/4/29---------7th--------White Sox up 8-6------two-run HR------------------RH reliever (McKain) ***

---5/26/29--------8th--------Yanks up 13-4---------two-run HR------------------RH reliever (Carroll)

---6/21/29 gm2----7th--------A's up 3-2------------three-run HR-----------------RH reliever (Shores) **

---6/21/29 gm2----8th--------Yanks up 5-3----------three-run HR----------------RH reliever (Shores)

---6/29/29--------7th--------Yanks up 5-3-----------solo HR---------------------LH starter (Grove) + (Hit 2-run HR in 5th inning off Grove to break 3-3 tie **)

---7/3/29---------7th--------Red Sox up 5-0--------grand slam HR----------------RH starter (Ruffing) + (Yanks scored 5 R in 7th inning, could have been to tie)

---7/15/29--------9th--------Tied 6-6--------------solo HR-----------------------RH reliever (Carroll) **

---7/27/29--------8th--------Yanks up 4-2----------solo HR----------------------RH starter (Blaeholder)

---7/28/29--------12th-------Tied 6-6--------------solo HR----------------------RH reliever (Collins) **

---8/6/29---------7th--------Yanks up 6-0----------two-run HR------------------RH starter (Burke) + (Hit grand slam off Burke in 5th inning with Yanks up 2-0)

---8/10/29--------8th--------Yanks up 3-2----------solo HR----------------------LH reliever (Shoffner)

---8/25/29--------9th--------Browns up 3-1---------solo HR---------------------LH starter (Stewart) + (Hit solo HR off Stewart in 4th inning to put Yanks up 1-0)

---8/29/29--------8th--------Wash. up 4-2----------three-run HR----------------RH starter (Marberry) **

---8/31/29--------8th--------Yanks up 7-2----------two-run HR------------------RH reliever (Savidge) + (Hit 3-run HR off LH starter Burke in 1st inning)

---9/10/29--------9th--------Tigers up 9-6----------three-run HR----------------RH reliever (Carroll) + (Either *** or **)

---9/18/29--------8th--------Yanks up 9-2----------two-run HR------------------LH reliever (Shoffner)


---------------------------------------------1930


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---4/25/30--------7th--------Red Sox up 2-1--------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Gaston) ***

---4/27/30--------9th--------Red Sox up 8-4--------three-run HR-------------------RH starter (Russell)

---5/4/30---------8th--------Yanks up 5-4----------two-run HR---------------------RH reliever (Walsh)

---5/21/30--------8th--------Yanks up 13-7---------two-run HR---------------------LH reliever (Grove) + (Hit 3-run HR off RH starter Earnshaw in 3rd and 2-run HR off Earnshaw in 1st)

---6/1/30---------9th--------Red Sox up 7-3--------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Gaston)

---6/4/30---------7th--------White Sox up 7-4------three-run HR-------------------LH starter (Caraway)

---6/19/30--------7th--------Yanks up 4-3----------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Uhle)

---6/21/30--------8th--------Yanks up 2-0----------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Hogsett)

---6/28/30--------7th--------Yanks up 13-1---------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Gliatto) + (Hit solo HR off RH reliever Holloway in 4th inning)

---6/30/30--------7th--------Yanks up 10-3---------three-run HR-------------------RH reliever (Thomas)

---7/24/30--------8th--------Yanks up 3-2----------solo HR-------------------------RH starter (Cantrell)

---8/1/30--------9th---------Yanks up 2-1----------two-run HR---------------------RH reliever (Gaston) + (Hit solo HR off RH starter Lisenbee in 1st inning)

---8/17/30--------7th--------White Sox up 7-6------solo HR------------------------LH reliever (Henry) ***

---9/5/30---------9th--------Wash. up 14-3---------two-run HR---------------------RH starter (Crowder)

---9/20/30--------7th--------Yanks up 5-4----------solo HR-------------------------RH starter (Thomas)


---------------------------------------------1931


-----Date--------Inning---------Score--------------Description--------------------Pitcher


---4/14/31--------7th--------Yanks up 5-1----------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Durham)

---4/20/31--------8th--------A's up 4-3------------two-run HR---------------------RH starter (Earnshaw) ** + (Hit 2-run HR off Earnshaw in 4th inning)

---5/31/31--------7th--------Wash up 2-1-----------two-run HR---------------------RH starter (Brown) **

---6/5/31---------9th--------Browns up 7-6---------two-run HR---------------------RH reliever (Gray) **

---6/28/31--------8th--------Indians up 5-1--------three-run HR--------------------RH starter (Hudlin)

---7/2/31---------8th--------Yanks up 8-1----------two-run HR---------------------RH reliever (Hoyt)

---7/16/31--------7th--------Indians up 7-4---------two-run HR---------------------RH starter (Brown)

---8/14/31--------9th--------Indians up 13-6--------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Harder)

---8/15/31--------16th-------Tied 5-5---------------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Uhle) + (Yanks scored 2 R in top of 16th, either ** or ***)

---8/20/31--------9th--------Yanks up 3-0----------grand slam HR------------------LH reliever (Hebert)

---9/7/31---------9th--------Yanks up 5-2----------two-run HR---------------------RH starter (Hoyt) + (Hit solo HR off Hoyt in 6th inning)

---9/25/31--------8th--------Wash. up 3-2----------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Crowder) + (Hit solo HR off Crowder in 6th inning)


---------------------------------------------1932


---4/16/32--------7th--------Yanks up 11-4---------solo HR------------------------LH reliever (Weiland)

---4/30/32--------8th--------Tied up 3-3-----------two-run HR---------------------RH starter (Lisenbee) + (Yanks scored 3 R in bottom of 8th, could be ** can't tell)

---5/18/32--------10th--------Tied 1-1--------------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Brown) **

---5/29/31--------7th--------Yanks up 4-2----------solo HR-------------------------RH reliever (Ragland)

---6/12/32--------9th--------Yanks up 9-5----------two-run HR---------------------RH reliever (Pearson) + (Hit 2-run HR off RH starter Harder in 4th inning to put Yanks ahead)

---6/23/32--------7th--------Browns up 14-9--------solo HR------------------------LH reliever (Hebert)

---7/28/32--------7th--------Yanks up 7-1----------three-run HR-------------------RH reliever (Connally) + (Hit 2-run HR off RH starter Ferrell in 6th inning)

---7/29/32--------9th--------Indians up 4-2---------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Brown)

---8/28/32--------9th--------White Sox up 5-1------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Lyons)

---9/24/32--------9th--------Yanks up 7-2----------solo HR------------------------LH reliever (Michaels)

---8/20/31--------9th--------Yanks up 3-0----------grand slam HR------------------LH reliever (Hebert)


---------------------------------------------1933


---5/28/33--------7th--------Yanks up 7-5----------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Faber) + (Hit 2-run HR off RH starter Gaston in 1st inning)

---6/3/33---------8th--------Yanks up 14-11--------three-run HR-------------------LH reliever (Freitas)

---6/6/33---------7th--------Yanks up 4-3----------two-run HR---------------------LH reliever (Weiland)

---6/8/33---------9th--------A's up 14-9------------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Coombs)

---6/28/33--------8th--------Tigers up 7-2----------three-run HR-------------------RH starter (Frazier)

---7/4/33---------9th--------Wash. up 3-1----------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Stewart)

---7/15/33--------7th--------Yanks up 8-2----------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Wyatt)

---7/29/33--------8th--------Wash. up 8-0----------three-run HR-------------------RH starter (Crowder)

---8/7/33---------8th--------Tied up 3-3------------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Stewart) **

---9/30/33--------7th--------Wash. up 7-0----------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Thomas)


---------------------------------------------1934


---4/18/34--------8th--------Yanks up 8-4----------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (McKeithan)

---4/29/34--------8th--------Red Sox up 2-1--------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Weiland) ***

---5/5/34---------7th--------Yanks up 9-5----------solo HR------------------------RH reliever (Rowe) + (Hit 3-run HR off RH reliever Auker in 4th inning)

---5/28/34--------7th--------Browns up 8-5---------two-run HR--------------------RH reliever (Knott) + (Yanks scored 7 R in 7th inning, knocked Knott outta the box)

---6/3/34---------8th--------Yanks up 4-1----------solo HR------------------------RH starter (Cain)

---7/31/34--------7th--------Yanks up 1-0----------solo HR------------------------LH starter (Ostermueller)

---8/11/34--------8th--------Tied 0-0--------------solo HR-------------------------LH starter (Ostermueller) *

---9/29/34--------7th--------Wash. up 8-2----------three-run HR-------------------LH starter (Cohen)

[pheasant]

BABE RUTH VS WALTER JOHNSON

After 4 hours of combing through box scores, looking at what Johnson's relievers did, I got the folllowing on Ruth vs Johnson.
8/14/15, Per Babe in Red Stockings, goes 2-3, Ruth gets Win over Johnson, 4-3..unsure of how many IP Walter had..excluded game from stats below
4/17/16, 1-4, double , Walter 6 IP, Ruth gets W, Johnson gets L, 2-1
4/29/16, 0-1,K, Walter pitched CG,
6/01/16, 0-2,2 K, 1 BB, walter pitched CG, Ruth gets W, Johnson gets L..1-0
6/28/16, 0-1, Walter pitched CG
7/01/16, 0-1, RBI, Walter pitched 2 ip, but Ruth pinch hit late
8/12/16, 0-0, Johnson relived after Ruth was knocked out of game
8/15/16, 0-4, 1 K, 1 BB, Johnson 12.2 IP, Ruth had CG....Ruth gets W, Johnson gets L
9/09/16, 1-3, 1K, CG for Johnson, Ruth gets W, Johnson gets L 2-1
9/12/16, 0-3, CG for Johnson, no decision for Ruth on mound
5/07/17, 0-2, RBI, 1 K, CG for Johnson, Ruth gets W, Johnson gets L, 1-0
10/3/17, 1-3,CG for Johnson, Johnson gets W, Ruth gets L..6-0
5/07/18, 1-3, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 BB, I K, CG for Johnson...Leonard took loss for Sox,
5/09/18, 1-1, 1 IP for Johnson, Johnson gets W, Ruth loss.
6/30/18, 1-4, 1 HR, 1 2 RBI,1 BB, 1 K, 10 IP for Johnson
4/28/19, 2-4, 2B, 1 3B, 1 BB, 1 K, 9IP, for Johnson,
50/8/19, 0-2, BB, 6 IP for Johnson
6/25/19, 0-4, 8 IP for Johnson
8/31/19, 0-1 worst case, unsure of what Ruth did.....for game,2-3, 1 2B, 2 BB, 1.2 IP for Johnson in relief
4/29/20, 1-4 1 RBI, 2K, 9 IP for Johnson
5/05/20, 2-3, 2 RBI, 2 BB, 9 IP for Johnson
5/09/20, 0-5, 1K, 9 IP for Johnson
5/31/20, 1-3, 1 HR, 2RBI worst case, 4.2 IP for Johnson, Ruth 1-5 in game
4/25/21, 1-3, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K, 9 IP for Johnson
5/07/21, 1-4, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K, 9 IP for Johnson
6/01/21, 0-3, 2 BB, 1 K, 9 IP for Johnson
6/25/21, 2-4, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 9 IP for Johnson
9/01/21, 1-4, 1 RBI, 1 K, 8 IP for Johnson
5/28/22, 0-5, 10 IP for Johnson
6/28/22, 2-4, 1 K, 9 IP for Johnson
8/29/22, 1-4, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 K, 8 IP for Johnson
9/08/22, 1-3, 1 RBI, worst case was 1-4, 1 RBI in game, 1 K, 6 IP for Johnson, reliever had 0.0 ERA
4/22/23, 0-1, 2 BB, 7.1 IP for Johnson, confirmed reliever faced Ruth, got him out
5/02/23, 0-2, 2 BB, 1 K, 9 IP for Johnson
5/30/23, 1-2, 1 HR, 3 RBI, worst case, ended up 1-3, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 3 IP for Johnson
7/04/23, 0-1, worst case BIG TRAIN KNOCKED OUT AFTER 1.1 IP, UNSURE OF WHAT RUTH DID
4/20/24, 2-4, 1 3B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 9IP for Johnson
5/01/24, 0-2 1 bb worst case, was 0-3, 2 BB, 6 IP for Johnson
5/28/24, 0-1 worst case too tough to call...Johnson 2 IP, for game, Ruth was 1-4, 1 BB,
7/05/24, 3-3, 2 2B, 1 BB, 9 IP
8/29/24, 1-2, 1 BB, 1 K, 7.1 IP...Ruth didn't face relievers
6/01/25, 0-2, 1 BB, 7.2 IP, Ruth didn't face reliever
4/20/26, 1-2 worst, 1 HR 2 HR.worst case,Ruth went 5-6 with 2 2b and 1 HR and 6 RBI..Johnson went 3 IP
6/02/26, 1-2 worst case, Johnson was knocked out after 5 ip, Ruth went 2-3 for the day
7/01/26, 0-2, 2 bb, Walter pitched 8.2 ip, gehrig wins it with 2 run HR.
8/13/26, 2-3, 1 2b, 2 bb, 1 rbi worst case , for day, RUth 3-4, 2 2b, 5 IP for Johnson
8/30/26,1-4, 1 rbi, 1 bb, 1 k, 9 IP for Johnson
7/04/27, 0-2 worst case walter had 4 ip...., however, RUth was 2-4 for game

Missing 1915 season
As a pitcher, 1916-1918, he was 5-1 vs Johnson(excludes Johnson's 1 IP game in which he picked up the W), excludes Ruth's 4-3 victory in 1915.
As a hitter, see below. I went through each box score and looked at what the relievers did(walks, batters faced, etc).

For times when Ruth faced Johnson and I couldn't confirm the result, I assumed Ruth went 0-1 despite the fact that Ruth had additional walks and hits in that game. I.e, I just assumed that Ruth racked up those BB and Hits vs the relievers, which greatly reduces Ruth's results vs. Johnson.

note: Ruth was 3-24 with 2 BB and 0 HR vs Johnson in 1916-1917 when he was only a part time hitter. Once 1918 rolled around, Ruth hit Johnson very well.

Confirmed: exactly 9 HR, maximum 125 AB with minimum 26 BB and minimum 33 hits( min .264 avg, at least 1 HR every 13.88 AB).

in 1918 as a full time hitter, Ruth went 3-8 with 2 HR and 2 BB.
From 1918-1927, Ruth had at least 31 hits, 24 BB, max of 101 AB, and exactly 9 HRs. That's a min .307 avg and at least 1 HR every 11.22 ab

This was too time consuming. Luckily, Ruth vs Cobb as a pitcher only has 4 years(1916-1919 per BB reference). That project will come next weekend.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

That helps a lot, Sultan. That'll be my next project. Lefty Grove and the Big Train were by far the best pitchers in the AL during Ruth's time(except for perhaps Ruth himself).

No prob -

5/9/18 was 1-1 with a double off Walter btw.

Talk about wanting to time travel to a game.

Ruth pitching 9.2 innings and giving up 2 ER (both on sacs), all while hitting cleanup and going 4-4 with 2 doubles, a triple, and a single.

Game tied going into the 10th and Ruth due up third. Enter Big Train, who just two days earlier, had given up the famous "War Garden" dinger to Babe.

Two quick outs and in steps Ruth, who laces his third double of the day to the scoreboard in right.

Stuffy McInnis, who was 0-3 with a BB and a sac steps in, and Ruth is thrown out trying to steal third base. Game over.

Unlike the circumstances surrounding the 1926 WS caught stealing, I don't see Ruth's logic on this one. Guy running from second unexpectedly can distract the hitter. Ruth was already in scoring position. There were 2 outs, so no sac fly opportunity if he gets to third. Not sure about the odds Walter would throw a wild pitch, but I have to think very low, so that doesn't warrant getting to third. I just don't see it. Great day at the plate and on the mound for Ruth, but bone-headed play to end it.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Correction in my post #1196.
Babe 2 for 3 , 2 singles off of Johnson pitched a complete game.
Originally entered this date Aug.8, 1915--------Correct date, Aug. 14,1915

[SHOELESSJOE3]

BABE RUTH VS WALTER JOHNSON

After 4 hours of combing through box scores, looking at what Johnson's relievers did, I got the folllowing on Ruth vs Johnson.
8/14/15, Per Babe in Red Stockings, goes 2-3, Ruth gets Win over Johnson, 4-3..unsure of how many IP Walter had..excluded game from stats below
.

I did cover that one game earlier but entered the wrong date, my post #1196. I did go back to #1196 and made the correction.
Correct 2 for 3, one run scored and Johnson pitched complete game.

[pheasant]

Correction in my post #1196.
Babe 2 for 3 , 2 singles off of Johnson pitched a complete game.
Originally entered this date Aug.8, 1915--------Correct date, Aug. 14,1915

Thanks Shoeless. I now can include the 1915 outing.

Thus, Babe had at least 35 hits, exactly 9 HR, at least 26 BB, at most 128 AB. Thus, he hit at least .273 and had at least 1 HR every 14.22 AB. That's at least 26 BB in 48 games. Since 1918 when Ruth was a full-time hitter, Ruth walked at least 24 times in 36 games vs Johnson. And in 10 of those games, Johnson was yanked early costing him 37 innings, or about 4 games worth of innings. Clearly, Johnson pitched very carefully to Ruth.

Back to the pitching piece. The games in which a pitcher gave up an unearned run are in bold

8/14/15, Ruth wins 4-3, CG, according Babe in Red Stockings, umps potentially cost Ruth a shutout.
4/17/16, Ruth wins 5-1 CG,, not 2-1 like I mentioned earlier. Typo, 8 hitter by Ruth
6/01/16, Ruth wins 1-0, CG, Johnson gave up unearned run, 3 hitter by Ruth
8/15/16, Ruth wins 1-0, CG, 13 IP!!, 8 hitter by Ruth
9/09/16, Ruth wins 2-1, CG, Ruth gives up unearned run, 5 hitter by Ruth
5/07/17, Ruth wins 1-0, CG, 2 hitter,
10/3/17, Johnson wins 6-0, CG for Ruth, 11 hitter

Note: Ruth begged to pitch against Johnson in 1915. I love it! 5 out of 6 of Ruth's victories were by 1 run. And Ruth pitched CG in all of their outings. Ruth's 13 inning shutout was crazy. I believe Ruth only allowed 2 hits after the 8th ining. Similarly, Ruth really mowed down the team in the 1916 World Series game in which he won 2-1 in 14 IP. If I remember correctly, he only allowed 3 baserunners in that game after the 7th inning. Ruth apparently had a very durable arm.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Speaking of clutch, game ending, walk off home runs.
Well, not under the old rules, before 1920 when it was changed.

July 8, 1918 score 0-0, runner on first and Babe hits one halfway up the RF bleachers, described as the longest ever hit at Fenway at that time.
Only under the old rule, the batter is only credited with as many bases as it takes the winning run to score.
With Strunk on first, Babe would only have to get to third base to bat in the winning run, he was credited with only a triple.
He tied for the lead in home runs in that year, with Tillie Walker, that could have been another home run title.

The one man gang, in the very next game July 10, the 9th was an off day then in a rain shortened game, his triple gives the Bosox a 2-0 win over Indians.
Two games, Bosox score only 3 runs, all batted in by Ruth.
July 11, three doubles help Bosox beat Chisox 4-0.
July 12, one double, two triples helps Bosox beat Chicago again, 4-0.
Talk about a one man gang.................and Harry Frazee sold him to the Yanks over the winter of 1919.

[pheasant]

COBB VS RUTH

5/24/16, 1-3, BB, Ruth 9 ip, CG SHO, 4-0, 4 hitter, Ruth 2-3, 2b, RBI
6/09/16, 1-3, BB, Ruth 8IP, Cobb knocked in winning run off of reliever, 2-4 for game
7/20/16, 1-2, RBI, Ruth, 5 IP, 1 ER, Ruth loses 3-2 in relief, Cobb had GW RBI off of Ruth in 13th, Ruth 0-2
7/29/16, Cobb faced Ruth once..unsure of outcome...Ruth shelled, .1 IP, 2 ER, 2 unearned runs, 0-0 at plate
7/31/16, 1-4, K, SB, Ruth, CG SHO, 2 hitter, Ruth 2-4 at plate
9/21/16, 0-4, K, Ruth, CG win, 10-2, Ruth 2-4, 3b, BB
5/11/17, 1-3, BB, K, Ruth,CG win, 2-1, Ruth also 2-4 with 2b
6/06/17, 2-5, RBI, SB, Ruth CG, lost 3-0, Ruth 1-2, BB
7/11/17, 0-2, BB, HBP!, CG SHO, 1-0, 1 hitter, Ruth 2-3, 3b, BB
8/10/17, 1-4, Ruth CG, 5-4 win, RUth 1-3, HR, RBI, BB
8/27/17, 3-4, RBI, 1 K, Ruth CG, loses 5-1, Ruth 1-4, 2b
9/20/17, 1-4, K, Ruth, CG, loses 1-0, RUth 0-3, K
5/15/18, 0-4, Ruth CG, wins 5-4, Ruth 1-3, BB
8/08/18, 2-3, SB, sacrific, Ruth,CG, wins 4-1, Ruth 1-4, RBI, K
6/05/19, 1-1, 3B, RBI, Ruth only pitched 3 innings..Ruth 1-1 himself
7/21/19, 3-4, RBI, BB, SB, Ruth, CG, loses 6-2, Ruth 1-4, HR
7/30/19, 1-1 vs Ruth, Ruth gets save in 3-2 win, Ruth 0-4 at plate

Cobb 19-51, .372, 5 RBI, 5 BB, 4 SB, 1 3b
Ruth 19-44, .432, 4 RBI, 2 2b, 2 3b, 2 HR, Ruth slugged .704 vs Tigers while pitching!

Ruth was 8-6 vs Tigers with 1 save.


This is interesting. Ruth must have HATED Cobb. Although Cobb hit Ruth very well, Ruth actually outhit Cobb in the games he was pitching in. Granted, Ruth didn't have to hit against a Babe Ruth every time. But still. This is crazy. Also, Ruth tossed a 1 hitter against Detroit. In that game, Ruth walked Cobb and beaned him. I bet is was a brushback pitch.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

[SIZE=5]. This is crazy. Also, Ruth tossed a 1 hitter against Detroit. In that game, Ruth walked Cobb and beaned him. I bet is was a brushback pitch.

That one hitter an infield hit, was a hard grounder Babe knocked down, deflected to SS but the runner beat the throw.
That would have been really something, on top of all he did do, a no hitter, just missed.
You can check the stats, the Tigers were the best all arround hitting team in both leagues at that time.

Don't have the article in front of me but if I recall, 1920 or 1921, Babe asked to pitch to the Tigers, especially Cobb.
Cobb may have gotten one hit in that game but Babe struck him out in the 5th inning. Satisfied he then finished the game in th outfield.
Yanks won something like 13-8, Ruth with two long home runs.

A couple of times they did come close to a fight, broken up by teammates.
When they switched positions on the field, ran past each other, Cobb smiled and patted Babe on the back.
Some where, I have an article. Babe pitching, with Bosox.
Cobb on first and a base hit. Ruth sensing Cobb would try to go to third, no one covering third.
He ran to the bag and put a hard tag on Ty in the mid section. According to the recap, may have been the NY Times, Cobb went down and lay there for about a minute and refused help from a teammate to stand up.

Happy to say, in retirement they became friends, doing some charity golf events