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  • Mordecai1906
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

    To a slug .690 for a career a player can't have many "off" seasons where he slugs well below .690. Sadaharu oh playing in a lessor league slugged over .700 nine times. His 10th best season was .690. Yet, Oh "only" slugged .634 for his career.
    You brought up Oh..

    Do you know anything about this kid?

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  • Mordecai1906
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    Originally posted by layson27 View Post

    It was also the only year he hit .300!
    And for his career he gains 4 points to 143 in rrOPS+.

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  • layson27
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    Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
    Reggie 1980 jumped out!
    It was also the only year he hit .300!

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  • scottmitchell74
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    Reggie 1980 jumped out!

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  • layson27
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    Originally posted by Floyd Gondolli View Post

    My brother Layson. Semper Fidelis. I always said “I need an Editor”!!!!

    I couldn't find DiMaggio lol.

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  • Floyd Gondolli
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    Originally posted by layson27 View Post

    Missing a 15-28
    My brother Layson. Semper Fidelis. I always said “I need an Editor”!!!!

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  • layson27
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    Missing a 15-28

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  • Mordecai1906
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    Originally posted by Floyd Gondolli View Post

    That's why I ran standard deviations for all the sports records. That's exactly what SD measures.

    Ruth: .690, 5.2 SD above the mean
    Cobb: .366, 4.2 SD above the mean
    Gretzky: 2857 points, 6.2 SD above the mean

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    The difference.beimg that you are looking at counting totals with Wayne....SA is a rate stat so you need to look at points per minute played with hockey just like we would look at HR per AB not by PA and certainly not by game
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    I would like to see top 10 right handers numbers on the road versus lefties. Piazza, Foxx, DiMagg, Mays, F Thomas, rtc

    ​​​​​​Can you do that?

    Oh and Teddy vs lefties home and road
    Last edited by Mordecai1906; 10-01-2023, 02:45 PM.

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  • Floyd Gondolli
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    Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
    How many records have that spread?
    That's why I ran standard deviations for all the sports records. That's exactly what SD measures.

    Ruth: .690, 5.2 SD above the mean
    Cobb: .366, 4.2 SD above the mean
    Gretzky: 2857 points, 6.2 SD above the mean

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  • scottmitchell74
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    .690 with significant deadball PAs and decline-phase PAs.

    No one else came even close.

    Ted Williams' Slugging is 91.9% of Ruth's.

    How many records have that spread?

    The difference between #1 - .6897 and #2 - .6338 is equal to the difference between #2 and #14 (DiMaggio at .5788)


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  • Floyd Gondolli
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

    To a slug .690 for a career a player can't have many "off" seasons where he slugs well below .690. Sadaharu oh playing in a lessor league slugged over .700 nine times. His 10th best season was .690. Yet, Oh "only" slugged .634 for his career.
    I just ran the numbers in Excel.

    Ty Cobb's .366 batting average is 4.2 standard deviations above the mean (using the top 1000 in career average as the sample, min 4000 PA).

    Babe Ruth's .690 slugging percentage is 5.4 (!!!) standard deviations above the mean.





    Gretzky is 936 (!!) points ahead of Jaromir Jagr (#2 all time) in career points. That represents a Z Score of 6.2. (6.2 SD above the mean.)

    So....what is the most impressive and/or unbreakable record in sports? Among records that COULD be broken (i.e., non pitching baseball records)?

    That's the $64,000 Question....

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  • SHOELESSJOE3
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

    To a slug .690 for a career a player can't have many "off" seasons where he slugs well below .690. Sadaharu oh playing in a lessor league slugged over .700 nine times. His 10th best season was .690. Yet, Oh "only" slugged .634 for his career.
    OK they were not off seasons but doing some full time pitching 1914-1977, pitching/outfield 1918-1919 and in the dead ball era, thats over one quarter of Babe's career, he was way below .690, 1914-1919 slugging .568.
    The one that might surprise some, Ruth's career home runs his first 6 seasons, 49.

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  • Floyd Gondolli
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    Originally posted by Mordecai1906 View Post
    How many single seasons have had a .682 or better on the road?
    Excellent point, and question.

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  • Mordecai1906
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    Originally posted by Floyd Gondolli View Post
    Is .690 the most unbreakable (non pitching) record in baseball history?

    Here are the players that have slugged .690 in a qualifying season since 1871 (all time):

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    You can throw out Bonds' 4, McGwire's 3, Sosa's 1, Manny's 1. Helton and Walker's have an asterisk of sorts because of Coors Field pre-humidor. Thompson and Duffy played in a league that averaged 7.4 runs/game, with no foul strike, so that's apples and oranges too, I suppose.

    That leaves:

    Ruth (10)
    Foxx (4)
    Gehrig (4)
    Hornsby (3)
    Williams (2)
    Belle (1)
    Big Hurt (1)
    Musial (1)
    Wilson (1)
    Simmons (1)

    For comparison's sake, .367 has happened 70 times in history. 46 times since 1903 (foul strike rule in both leagues).

    Thoughts? Is .690 the most unbreakable record in baseball, aside from pitching records?
    Yes .708 SA from 1920 to 1935. Pretty impressive.

    What might even be more impressive is his full career .682 slugging average on the road, considering that it wipes away his cartoonish 1920 and 1921 Polo grounds numbers. Those numbers coming directly after having still been a part time pitcher and with a lot to prove coming to New York. Imagine 1918 and 1819.in a neutral park as a full time hitter.

    How many single seasons have had a .682 or better on the road?

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  • bluesky5
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post

    To a slug .690 for a career a player can't have many "off" seasons where he slugs well below .690. Sadaharu oh playing in a lessor league slugged over .700 nine times. His 10th best season was .690. Yet, Oh "only" slugged .634 for his career.
    Wow that is insane.

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