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Derek Jeter & Team Records for Career Hits

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  • #16
    Originally posted by tearforamariner View Post
    Like Crawford, he could be out of the game before he even makes it to 3,000.
    Highly unlikely though. He'll likely reach 3,000 in the next 2 seasons. Yes career ending injuries can happen to anyone, especially after 35 but Jeter has been very consistant in his career, i'll rekon he'll end up around 3,300-3,500. How long he stays with the yankees will probably be up to him as much as anyone, you have to feel they'll make room for him in the OF or DH until he feels ready to move on.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by tearforamariner View Post
      And? Cobb, Aaron, Yount, Crawford, Speaker, and Musial all had more hits by the age of 35 than Rose did too. Yount finished about 1100 hits behind Rose. Crawford is about 1300 behind Rose.

      Jeter's already amassed a great hit total, but he is by no means guaranteed anything. Like Crawford, he could be out of the game before he even makes it to 3,000.
      Willie Keeler, who took fewer games to reach 2,000 hits than anyone else ever, had 2,650 hits before he was 35 and a .355 lifetime avg., heck, he'd never once hit below .300 -but he didn't make 3,000 hits and was out of baseball four years later at .341 lifetime after seasons of .234, .263, and .264, so nothing's a given.
      "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
        Willie Keeler, who took fewer games to reach 2,000 hits than anyone else ever, had 2,650 hits before he was 35 and a .355 lifetime avg., heck, he'd never once hit below .300 -but he didn't make 3,000 hits and was out of baseball four years later at .341 lifetime after seasons of .234, .263, and .264, so nothing's a given.
        I wonder how much effect the foul strike rule had on Keeler's batting skill, his batting average. Before foul balls were counted as strikes Willie was knocking the cover off the ball. Before 1901 foul balls were not counted as strikes in the NL, the AL followed in 1903.

        Willie dropped dramatically in that time, he was only 30-31 years old.

        The reason I bring up that rule change and it's possible effect is because Willie and John McGraw were masters at fouling off pitches ( no strike) until they got one they liked. One of them, don't recall who, one time fouled off 22 pitches, not charged with one strike, then walked.

        That aside I do agree with your point, we can never know, looks like Jeter is on his way, but nothing is sure.
        Last edited by SHOELESSJOE3; 09-10-2009, 06:40 PM.

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        • #19
          We'll never really know about McGraw, since he finally blew out his knee for good in spring training 1903 so we don't have any numbers to crunch, but with Keeler...well, it's true that he did foul off a lot of pitches before the rule, and it's clear that the rule affected him, but not that much it seems.

          In 1900, without the rule, he hit .362 with a 129 OPS+. In 1901, with it, his batting dropped to a career low (for a full season) .339, but his OPS+ was at 126 and he still had 200 hits. The next three years it was 130, 116, and 147, which was the second highest of his career, so there really was no dramatic drop in his fortunes, he merely reflected the league as a whole, but he was still getting 180+ hits a year.

          He suddenly lost it, as mentioned in my earlier post, at the age of 35 in 1907, when he hit .234 after never failing to reach either .300 or the league top 10 in batting one single time in his career (in fact, in both 1904 and 05 he was second in the league in batting, so he wasn't at all in decline). However, I've just noticed that it was also the first season that he didn't play a full complement of games- he only played 107 that year.

          Perhaps he was injured or something? Anybody know about this? That would certainly explain the tailspin at the end of his career.

          As a side note, you can see one effect of the foul strike rule in his stats- he started bunting more. Beginning in 1901 he had 9 straight seasons of over 20 sacrifices, with an amazing 33 in only 99 games when his magic was all gone in 1909.
          "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Buzzaldrin View Post
            We'll never really know about McGraw, since he finally blew out his knee for good in spring training 1903 so we don't have any numbers to crunch, but with Keeler...well, it's true that he did foul off a lot of pitches before the rule, and it's clear that the rule affected him, but not that much it seems.

            In 1900, without the rule, he hit .362 with a 129 OPS+. In 1901, with it, his batting dropped to a career low (for a full season) .339, but his OPS+ was at 126 and he still had 200 hits. The next three years it was 130, 116, and 147, which was the second highest of his career, so there really was no dramatic drop in his fortunes, he merely reflected the league as a whole, but he was still getting 180+ hits a year.

            He suddenly lost it, as mentioned in my earlier post, at the age of 35 in 1907, when he hit .234 after never failing to reach either .300 or the league top 10 in batting one single time in his career (in fact, in both 1904 and 05 he was second in the league in batting, so he wasn't at all in decline). However, I've just noticed that it was also the first season that he didn't play a full complement of games- he only played 107 that year.

            Perhaps he was injured or something? Anybody know about this? That would certainly explain the tailspin at the end of his career.

            As a side note, you can see one effect of the foul strike rule in his stats- he started bunting more. Beginning in 1901 he had 9 straight seasons of over 20 sacrifices, with an amazing 33 in only 99 games when his magic was all gone in 1909.
            Do not know about McGraw, my previous post dealt only with Keeler and his dramatic drop. I only mentioned John because like Keeler he used that "no strike" foul rule greatly to his advantage.

            Yes as you say Keeler really took a dip in 1907 but his slide began much earlier, around 1900 still young 30 or 31, just at the time the foul strike rule was changed. I can't say that was the whole reason but it's at least reasonable to at least give it some thought, maybe part of the reason for that decline.

            He may have finished second in those two seasons but his numbers show he was in decline after the turn of the century, more so than the league declined.

            Here he is is some full seasons.
            Average for years
            1894-1900 age 22-28----Ba. .383-----OBA .428
            1901-1907 age 29-35----Ba. .312-----OBA .356 Fouls now called strikes.

            His three highest batting averages in these years
            1894-1900------.424 .386 .385
            1901-1907------.343 .339 .333

            Now his stats reflect the leagues drop with that foul strike change, but it appears he fell off the edge, really came down
            Again, not to say that rule change was the only factor, how will we ever know for sure, but it may have played a part in his drop after the turn of the century.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
              Tough question. I'll be surprised if he gets past 3,400 hits.
              On the Yankee game last night, the announcer said Jeter is quoted as saying he'd like to play until 43. If he does that, he should get past 3,400 easily.
              Lou Gehrig is the Truest Yankee of them all!

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