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16th Greatest Pitcher: Will Smokey Joe whip Carlton?

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  • AstrosFan
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    More than long enough.

    Code:
    Fname		Lname		First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total
    Steve		Carlton		7	5	1	2	0	62
    Smoky Joe	Williams	7	2	4	1	1	58
    Carl		Hubbell		0	5	3	0	1	30
    Three Finger	Brown		3	1	1	2	2	28
    Juan		Marichal	0	3	2	2	3	25
    Nolan		Ryan		2	0	1	2	1	18
    Sandy		Koufax		0	1	1	2	1	12
    Phil		Niekro		0	0	2	1	2	10
    Gaylord		Perry		0	1	0	1	2	8
    Robin		Roberts		0	0	1	2	0	7
    John		Clarkson	0	0	0	2	1	5
    Whitey		Ford		0	0	1	0	2	5
    Bob		Caruthers	0	0	1	0	0	3
    Mariano		Rivera		0	0	0	1	0	2
    Addie		Joss		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Jim		Palmer		0	0	0	0	1	1
    Interestingly, while the 42nd greatest player thread has not been going on as long, we are at the same stage as this one in terms 1st place lead over 2nd. So one could argue we would be justified in calling that too.

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  • Bill Burgess
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    We have 18 ballots received so far. Should we make it a wrap, Jud? If you want, this cinches it. Let's move on. We've been on this round since September 18, 2009! That's long enough.

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  • AstrosFan
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    Hope we get that 19th ballot, because that's a virtual certainty to clinch it, given voting patterns. It would be a jaw-dropping shock if the current leader did not win, but we have a little momentum going.

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  • Freakshow
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    Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
    Thank you so much ConnieMack, sincerely. We're up to 16 ballots. Let's not stop now. Let's keep going.
    Make it 18:

    1. Joe Williams
    2. Steve Carlton
    3. Carl Hubbell
    4. Robin Roberts
    5. Gaylord Perry

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  • John Shoemaker
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    1. Smoky Joe Williams
    2. Steve Carlton
    3. Carl Hubbell
    4. Three Finger Brown
    5. Juan Marichal

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  • Bill Burgess
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    Thank you so much ConnieMack, sincerely. We're up to 16 ballots. Let's not stop now. Let's keep going.

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  • ConnieMack
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    1. Steve Carlton
    2. Juan Marichal
    3. Smokey Joe Williams
    4. Sandy Koufax
    5. Mordecai Brown

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  • Bill Burgess
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    This is disappointing. We're down to 15 ballots and calling it? This is truly a new low for us.

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  • AstrosFan
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    First place has a pretty good, if not clinching, lead on second. If you're game to call it, Bill, I'll put the results up.

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  • ItsOnlyGil
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    In the 19th century several pitchers could have (and did) survive on their non-pitching skills. Spalding, Caruthers, Bradley, Foutz and others are obvious citations, but many others exist.
    Wes Ferrell had .797 OPS over 1300+ ABs.
    Last edited by ItsOnlyGil; 01-17-2010, 10:22 AM.

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  • Bill Burgess
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    Originally posted by ItsOnlyGil View Post
    Why not compare pitchers to pitchers - for their hitting ability?
    Yeah, Ruth would probably be first. But where would the Big Train fall?
    Gibson, Drysdale, Bob Lemon, Wes Ferrell?
    Yeah, pitcher's hitting sometimes had an effect but not that much. Aside from Ruth, who deserved his own category after 1918, not much effect.

    Walter Johnson probably won some games for himself but for the most part, pitcher's hitting was negligible. Some pitchers didn't stink at hitting, like Spahn, but there was good reason for the introduction of the DH. Most pitchers were counted on as an easy out.

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  • ItsOnlyGil
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    Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
    This is quite correct. Ever since I have followed baseball as a child, I have never tried to compare pitchers to non-pitchers. Never made any sense to me.

    In his earlier Historical Abstracts, Bill James also separated the 2 classes. I wish he always separated them. But I realize that he also has mixed them too.

    To compare Honus Wagner with Roger Clemens doesn't make much sense and if it doesn't make sense, it's normally not interesting. Which is why I always separate the 2.

    Why not compare pitchers to pitchers - for their hitting ability?
    Yeah, Ruth would probably be first. But where would the Big Train fall?
    Gibson, Drysdale, Bob Lemon, Wes Ferrell?

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  • Bill Burgess
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    We have received 15 ballots so far. The intensity of our ranking pleasure continues unabated. UMMMMMM!!!

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  • Bill Burgess
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    Thanks, BigRon. I'll hang on.

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  • BigRon
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    Originally posted by Bill Burgess View Post
    It was suggested to me that perhaps the title, 16th Greatest Pitcher was not interesting enough.

    So, I tried to be more interesting. Regardless, it didn't work.
    Hang in there, Bill. Adding the names of the 2 top candidates is a good idea, even though the floodgates aren't getting knocked down by voters. It catches the eye, and it makes the (potential) voter think about something. Maybe it's a tiny bit prejudicial, but at least you are using the names of the 2 highest vote getters on the ballot. Hang tough!

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